Jump to content

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, peasy23 said:

I still haven't had anybody come up with a good suggestion as to what the point of playing with no fans would be, that's before you look at the financial implications of no matchday income for an unspecified period of time.

I did make a suggestion to one of our top table that we should look to start the leagues in February/March, and play right through until April/May 2022. That would give enough time to fit in the full league campaigns as originally planned for all 4 divisions/conferences, and fit in cup ties.

The virus will still be here in February/March. It will also still be here in 2022.

It's time to adapt or die. It really is that simple for the semi pro game.

More pressure needs applied to the government around letting crowds back in at that level. They love to quote ''the science'' when it suits their agenda. How many outbreaks have happened in an outdoor environment were social distance measures have been in place?

Edited by Crazy Feet
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The virus will still be here in February/March. It will also still be here in 2022.
It's time to adapt or die. It really is that simple for the semi pro game.
More pressure needs applied to the government around letting crowds back in at that level. They love to quote ''the science'' when it suits their agenda. How many outbreaks have happened in an outdoor environment were social distance measures have been in place?


Do you really think that pressure right now is going to work when there is talk about further restrictions?

Ireland just banned all spectators and all sport that is not at elite level. Nicola Sturgeon is always quoting what is happening in Ireland as examples for Scotland so it wouldn’t surprise me to see similar happening here.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 


Do you really think that pressure right now is going to work when there is talk about further restrictions?

Ireland just banned all spectators and all sport that is not at elite level. Nicola Sturgeon is always quoting what is happening in Ireland as examples for Scotland so it wouldn’t surprise me to see similar happening here.

 

It's basically proven that transmission of the disease is extremely difficult in an outdoor environment. Countries all over Europe have had spectators at ourdoor sporting events, didn't Dortmund have 12k in their stadium just last weekend? 

Look at the hundreds of thousands of people who protested during the height of the pandemic for the BLM Movement as well. There was no increase in positive cases due to this.

The Scottish Football Authorities believe it's politically driven rather than scientific driven (the decision not to let football fans in).

Let us see the science / data that backs up that it is unsafe to let small crowds in to watch sport in a safe, outdoor environment. 

Edited by Crazy Feet
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's basically proven that transmission of the disease is extremely difficult in an outdoor environment. Countries all over Europe have had spectators at ourdoor sporting events, didn't Dortmund have 12k in their stadium just last weekend? 
Look at the hundreds of thousands of people who protested during the height of the pandemic for the BLM Movement as well. There was no increase in positive cases due to this.
The Scottish Football Authorities believe it's politically driven rather than scientific driven (the decision not to let football fans in).
Let us see the science / data that backs up that it is unsafe to let small crowds in to watch sport in a safe, outdoor environment. 


The science is sketchy to say the least. The virus is not even a year old yet.

The CDC in America have stated that they now believe droplets hang longer in the air than thought before and are saying exercise can exacerbate this. They have caveated that there is higher risk indoor settings such as gym rather than outdoors but my point is that the science is constantly changing and it is one scientist opinion against another’s. Someone is going to be right and someone is going to be wrong.

How did so many Kilmarnock players catch the virus if they are only outdoors? We don’t know currently but maybe it relates to the exercise point above.

Personally I think there is too much of an abundance of caution from the SG and I believe that they should publish all the evidence (it’s not all science related it is actually more public health advice that they are taking) to say why we should have further restrictions. There needs to be a grown up, adult discussion with the public as to why changes are coming and not just saying the numbers are going up so we need more restrictions, all that does is sow anger, division and anxiety amongst the population.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

So the working mans club Auchinleck Talbot are saying 'due to high demand ' they will be selling season tickets with no refund when things are very unlikely to kick off this season. 

Utter disgrace from a club who have benefited most from supporters money over the years.  Blatantly playing on peoples heart strings with morals been thrown out the window.  

So what if so called high demand ever thought of saying no we need to do the right thing here and give some respect to fans rather than using them giving nothing back. 

Edited by rncaa
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most supporters will see it as a donation to the club.

So the working mans club Auchinleck Talbot are saying 'due to high demand ' they will be selling season tickets with no refund when things are very unlikely to kick off this season. 
Utter disgrace from a club who have benefited most from supporters money over the years.  Blatantly playing on peoples heart strings with morals been thrown out the window.  
So what if so called high demand ever thought of saying no we need to do the right thing here and give some respect to fans rather than using them giving nothing back. 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Crazy Feet said:

The virus will still be here in February/March. It will also still be here in 2022.

It's time to adapt or die. It really is that simple for the semi pro game.

More pressure needs applied to the government around letting crowds back in at that level. They love to quote ''the science'' when it suits their agenda. How many outbreaks have happened in an outdoor environment were social distance measures have been in place?

"Suits their agenda"?

Put the tin foil hat down.  You say "adapt or die", but your suggestion seems to be that everyone else adapts, and not football.

Lower league football is not high on the government agenda.  Accept that.  

Now clubs should take your advice and adapt - be that postponing, cancelling, or otherwise finding a way to operate.

Hoping that the authorities 'see sense' is not a plan.  Take your own advice, and promote adapting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting to see the apparent abrupt U-turn from Nicola Sturgeon on the circuit breaker. Looks like she received a lot of negative feedback over that as floating it in the media rather than announcing it straight away is all about gauging the reaction first. Hopefully football doesn't feature in any of the token set of measures that will be implemented as the way to still be seen to be doing something when the reality is that they are really not and are basically just hoping things peak soon for herd immunity reasons.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Still think the only way to restart IS with fans, albeit with restrictions say max 300 crowds distanced of course. Lockdown=loss of jobs=less £ into gov coffers =crumbling economy , but at least the cases may be reduced, which is all they're after. Totally screwed up guidelines, contradictory  , a rudderless ship with Captain Boris and Bosun Sturgeon at the wheel ⚔️

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not sure I am reading into this too much but the article mentions that Ian Maxwell thinks that ‘professional football’ will continue even if there is further restrictions. Maybe it’s more but it gives me a bad feeling and after Ireland’s announcement yesterday that they are only continuing with professional/elite sport and stopping everything else maybe that’s what’s coming in Scotland which will be disappointing imo.

Fans to return 'much sooner' than six months - Scottish FA chief https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54440585

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Very interesting zoom call last night on the league restarting with all the clubs views , debates and discussions. No matter what happens with the vote on Friday there will be no winners as it’s all about trying to make sure all clubs survive the current situation. Meeting got off to a good start when there was a mention about a Lawyer . Enough said ? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, The Ilford Drummer said:

At least the" no penalty" point was clarified, allows clubs to make their own decisions.

What does that look like? Run First Division Conferences again for 2021-22 instead of going to the 4 tier approach originally planned (Premier-1st-2nd-3rd)? No relegation from the Premier Division?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

What does that look like? Run First Division Conferences again for 2021-22 instead of going to the 4 tier approach originally planned (Premier-1st-2nd-3rd)? No relegation from the Premier Division?

Seems a sensible approach and the fairest for any teams who can’t compete without fans. 

Anyone care to clarify the lawyer part of the meeting?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 hours ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said:

"Suits their agenda"?

Put the tin foil hat down.  You say "adapt or die", but your suggestion seems to be that everyone else adapts, and not football.

Lower league football is not high on the government agenda.  Accept that.  

Now clubs should take your advice and adapt - be that postponing, cancelling, or otherwise finding a way to operate.

Hoping that the authorities 'see sense' is not a plan.  Take your own advice, and promote adapting.

Whilst you are right to a degree, in my view anyway, you are missing a trick in that it takes time to adapt and many clubs may not be able to change quickly enough without some adaptations by the SFA and the Scottish Government. It works both ways you know!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...