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I asked that on the HL forum, say the LL champions win the title easily, while the HL doesn't finish,  how would that affect play offs ? Also the SOS restart, are fans part  of the decision ? Any news on whether the West and EOS are definitely going to have a go starting ?


SoS are starting without fans but, and maybe I am wrong here, I wouldn’t have thought the finance from gates would have that much of an impact on them. I know someone who played at that level and he ended up moving to the bottom tier of the west region and received more money there than he did for playing in the SoS.

No news on what is happening with either the east or the west but unless players and match officials are playing for free I just don’t see how it starts. I know how much it can cost to run a team and there is no way most if not all clubs could afford it.

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Listened  to The Highland League Secretary on  Radio Clyde tonight and I think he is spot on. With the cases still currently rising there is no way we will be starting anytime soon with another 2 week semi lockdown about too be announced also. At least they gave there selves a fighting chance with their league voting for less games if they go ahead. We voted for more 20 team league ? Nonsense. Time to just get a vote done and call it instead of hanging on with the polishing cloth and crystal ball hoping something is gonna change. Save our clubs that don’t have sugar daddies and are having to fork out weekly sums to play meaningless friendlies in the hope that there is a change . The life belt has already been cast adrift and is floating away already. Not letting fans in is just a red herring , no changing facilities is here for a while, with the worst weather  months of the year still  to come. Nobody will blame you for trying but it just ain’t going to happen. 

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9 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

(f)In the event that one of the Champion Clubs in the SHFL or the SLFL fails to comply with the Membership Criteria in circumstances where it is required to do so as the Candidate Club in terms of the SPFL Rules, and the SPFL Board has not granted any waiver, relaxation or period of grace in respect of that club’s requirement to comply with the Membership Criteria, there will be no Play-Off Match in terms of rule III(a) and, the other Champion Club will automatically go forward to the Pyramid Play-Off Match in terms of rule III(b).

If the Lowland League completes a season and the Highland League doesn't, then the LL Champion should go straight to the playoff final against Club 42.

Not if there's a qualifying SOS champion.

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Informative post from Larkhall Thistle on Facebook today:

Thought it was time we posted an update on the current situation at the club.
Clubs were given permission supposedly after they had submitted the proper paperwork to say that they met all the required protocols and guidelines to start training.
Lets just say as newspaper photos have proved many clubs didn't or couldn't meet the criteria but started training in all sorts of places. We have been training for roughly 8 -9 weeks and apart from the last two weeks when the light faded the players have used Gasworks Park where we as a club could control everything in a secure environment. The down side is that the park has suffered real damage and this coupled to a disease called red thread which resulted in many bare patches on the grass . We took advice and have treated the pitch accordingly which was not cheap. All this has resulted in a lot of extra work for Malcolm and Davy who look after the ground and the surrounds and I as someone who prior to his illness knew how time consuming and sometimes exasperating it could be.
Again after doing a risk assessment which was accepted by the authorities we were then give permission to play friendlies at Gasworks Park . To date we have played two drawing one and winning one. We have now moved to our normal venue for training in the dark nights Dalzell and have played two friendlies there losing both. As we were classed as the home team because we booked the referee we also had to supply a risk assessment for Dalzell.
We have had a variety of possible indicative start dates and information and we have just received the latest details of a survey all clubs were asked to complete and the answers are below.
First thing to note of the 67 clubs in the set up only 55 replied - unbelievable.
Question about the start date 49.1% for October 10th. same for October 31st.
FANS- would your club support return without fans YES 29.1% NO 70.9 %.
IF we do start how long could your club continue without this associated income
9.1 % could last the season 70.5 % could only last 4 weeks. Can't understand why any club would not answer this question.
CHANGING FACILITIES - if these became allowable would your facilities meet the 2 metre social distancing. 52.7 % YES 47.3 % NO
We answered no to this question as you have a minimum of 18 players plus coaching staff in the dressing room and ours doesn't measure up nor does the shower area.
Do you have access to supplementary facilities like a leisure centre or school.
Yes 36.4 % NO 63.6%.
PLAYERS - Are your players willing to return home from a game without showers or changing facilities YES 47.27% NO 50.91% mixed response from played within club 1.82%. Remember folks players arrive at ground ready to play and whilst some clubs like ourselves would be able to use the enclosure to house both teams and the officials socially distanced if it is raining this is not the case for every club . Our players to a man have indicated they would be willing to play under these restrictions.
Still an awful lot of work and planning needed by all clubs and the league who have now said earliest start date would be 24th. October to allow time for the SFA/Scottish Government to have discussions on a possible financial package .
Be interesting to see what develops if anything.
As far as our own direct financial situation is at the moment we as a club have lost all our income streams. Our last home gate income was on the 12th. February and our other two main income sources the Accumulator and other fundraising weekly events stopped when lockdown set in and as they are mainly football related with the total number of games played over a weekend being a crucial part of how they operate this gives us a problem as regards start up.
We have also lost income from special nights and private bookings in the clubhouse lounge. Unfortunately unlike some clubs as we own the ground so although we have no games to gain income there are fixed costs such as insurance , water rates, electricity plus building and ground maintenance costs that have still to be met.
We have already contacted our season ticketholders to offer a £50 club membership for adults and a £25 one for senior citizens mainly in the beginning to help us should games with spectators not become a reality and the response has been overwhelming and the committee would like to record our appreciation. .We will be writing to thank everyone individually for their contributions.
Should anyone reading this post wish to take out a membership to help the club please contact Hugh Kerr on 07746875347 or message this page for further details.
Stay safe folks we are still very much in difficult times for us all.

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Having seen the dressing rooms of the majority of clubs in the Premier Division I find it strange that over 50% have stated that their facilities will comply with social distancing taking into account occupancy for a minimum of 21 people.

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9 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

Informative post from Larkhall Thistle on Facebook today:

 

 

That really puts things into perspective.  I don’t think any clubs, L1, L2, LL, or WoS really believe that football can make it through the season without fans.  It just isn’t viable at all is it?

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The season starts, players have to be paid along with officials etc,so really can't see any point having anymore than 2 or 3 home games without fans - that's just to make sure all the players etc are catered for. Clubs would have played enough friendlies by then to know if things are working, and I feel they believe that it's safe for fans now. What comes first, vaccine or almost zero cases/deaths ?

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22 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 

Thanks. It was sheer laziness on my part to not go looking for it!

 

Edited to add: that seems to link to membership criteria not who a league can put forward (unless I am reading it wrong) and it would seem to me that the HL could still put forward a team if they choose to (as could the LL if they don’t play).

Its looking like if the Lowland League don't complete the season they'll put Kelty up again since they've never got the opportunity at the play-off in 2019-20.

 

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40 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Its looking like if the Lowland League don't complete the season they'll put Kelty up again since they've never got the opportunity at the play-off in 2019-20.

Read it again...

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On 29/09/2020 at 23:30, timeforchange said:

Listened  to The Highland League Secretary on  Radio Clyde tonight and I think he is spot on. With the cases still currently rising there is no way we will be starting anytime soon with another 2 week semi lockdown about too be announced also. At least they gave there selves a fighting chance with their league voting for less games if they go ahead. We voted for more 20 team league ? Nonsense. Time to just get a vote done and call it instead of hanging on with the polishing cloth and crystal ball hoping something is gonna change. Save our clubs that don’t have sugar daddies and are having to fork out weekly sums to play meaningless friendlies in the hope that there is a change . The life belt has already been cast adrift and is floating away already. Not letting fans in is just a red herring , no changing facilities is here for a while, with the worst weather  months of the year still  to come. Nobody will blame you for trying but it just ain’t going to happen. 

Given the overall uncertainty of the virus, and the probable poor weather in the Highlands, in my opinion the Highland League should decide to limit the 2020/21season to

either  each club playing each other only once (ie 16 league games), instead of playing both home & away games,  

or splitting into 2 divisions (at tiers 5 & 6) for one season only, thereby following the decision agreed by the North Caley League.

This may also be something for the WoSL to consider ?

Edited by Robert James

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8 hours ago, Robert James said:

Given the overall uncertainty of the virus, and the probable poor weather in the Highlands, in my opinion the Highland League should decide to limit the 2020/21season to

either  each club playing each other only once (ie 16 league games), instead of playing both home & away games,  

or splitting into 2 divisions (at tiers 5 & 6) for one season only, thereby following the decision agreed by the North Caley League.

This may also be something for the WoSL to consider ?

The Highland League have already confirmed this (if the season goes ahead) one round of games each team playing each other once.

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12 hours ago, Ginaro said:

Read it again...

...would be a very fitting epitaph for FWF when the time comes. Good to see there are opt out opportunities without any penalty in an LL context. Really fear for Bo'ness United in that context if Nicola Sturgeon uses lower level football to be different from Boris because crowds do very much matter for them unlike a lot of the clubs they will be up against in an LL context, who have funding models that do not rely on having much of an active fanbase.

Too bad Alex Salmond isn't still the SNP head honcho. Not sure to what extent he is a Lithgae Rose fan (have heard Hearts were always more his team) but have been told that some of his immediate family definitely are/were, so if he was still calling the shots it would be a lot easier to get lower level football onto the political radar. The fear with Nicola S is that she sees the current crisis as a way to exact some sort of Scottish housewife's revenge against the football by pushing it way down the list of priorities.

As you can see from this forum there are plenty of SNP activists/supporters who will never question any SG decision no matter how illogical and will relentlessly push the party line no matter what, so there probably aren't many political people giving her negative feedback on stuff like this, if she is the key to career advancement.

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There are no different rules here just because NS wants to be different from Boris Johnson. It's clearly explained why non-league football is not a priority and Sturgeon admitted she would have closed the pubs if she could afford to support the businesses. But closing pubs has a large effect on the economy and jobs, non-league footbal doesn't.

It's not as if Boris Johnson cares more about non-league football than Nicola Sturgeon does. He doesn't care about that at all. Then again, he doesn't care about people losing their lives either, he only cares about himself and his cronies.

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13 minutes ago, Marten said:

There are no different rules here just because NS wants to be different from Boris Johnson. It's clearly explained why non-league football is not a priority and Sturgeon admitted she would have closed the pubs if she could afford to support the businesses. But closing pubs has a large effect on the economy and jobs, non-league footbal doesn't.

It's not as if Boris Johnson cares more about non-league football than Nicola Sturgeon does. He doesn't care about that at all. Then again, he doesn't care about people losing their lives either, he only cares about himself and his cronies.

Correct. Non-league football in England (well the lower levels of non-league) have fans (limited in size, tracked and tarced, socially distanted) because of a succesful campaign that resulted in, what was in affect a mistake, being overturned. Furthermore in England they've had the good sense to differentiate between 'Elite' level and 'Non-elite'.

None of this happended up here (although granted some clubs have finally began to see the bleak future over the horizon), but the worst part, and the most worrying part, is the complete silence from the JRG. A group set up not long after the start of the pandemic to assist with Scottish football's recovery at all levels. They have a sub-group for Grassroots level, and to this day I'm not sure if that refers to kids football, or kids + non-league football. The JRG are simply not interested in Scottish non-league, and the same goes for the SFA.

I maintain, and have done for months, that in the case of the JRG & SFA, once the Premier League started back it was a case of 'Job Done'. 

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40 minutes ago, Marten said:

There are no different rules here just because NS wants to be different from Boris Johnson...

If the Tories were in power at Holyrood (I definitely don't want this!), it would be Sewel motion after Sewel motion and SG policy very much in lockstep with Westminster's in times of crisis. The SNP inherently want everything to be different from Westminster. It's their whole raison d'etre.

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17 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

If the Tories were in power at Holyrood (I definitely don't want this!), it would be Sewel motion after Sewel motion and SG policy very much in lockstep with Westminster's in times of crisis. The SNP inherently want everything to be different from Westminster. It's their whole raison d'etre.

But Scotland isn't the odd one out in terms of Covid19 policy. It's actually England who are the odd ones out. The current policies are pretty much exactly the same in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Mark Drakeford isn't exactly keen on leaving the UK and you don't get much more unionist than Arlene Foster, yet these 2 work closely with NS and regulary discuss measures to take between them.

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13 hours ago, gogsy said:

I don't see anything there that would suggest that absolutely bonkers idea.

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13 hours ago, Ginaro said:

Read it again...

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...would be a very fitting epitaph for FWF when the time comes.

https://i.imgflip.com/4gx5zt.jpg

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