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1 hour ago, striker9 said:


We are coping at the moment what is competitive football going to do that makes it so much worse?

Coping … … Your having a laugh ……… how many areas have been put in to some sort of restrictions????

We are not even at the start of winter and you think we’re coping !!!

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1 hour ago, striker9 said:


We are coping at the moment what is competitive football going to do that makes it so much worse?

Take it your one of those that think it was ok for a bus trip from the Rhondda to Racing at Doncaster that the were not even going to be allowed into was ok !!! 

This virus thrives on enclosed space a contact the sooner a lot of people realise that the better. Instead of this I’m all right jack attitude 

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4 hours ago, theesel1994 said:

This is my fear - that they start the season hoping only one or two games are behind closed doors and then Wee Nippy comes along and moves the goalposts but the season has then started so they have to continue.

Clubs need to get real, the restrictions are in place for a reason, nobody is doing it to piss clubs or fans off.  I’ve heard loads of clubs saying we need fans, but I’ve yet to hear one saying we are definitely not starting without them. Either come out and make a definitive statement or stop bitching about it.

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You just stay in the house and lock yourself away and the people who want to get on with life will.

Take it your one of those that think it was ok for a bus trip from the Rhondda to Racing at Doncaster that the were not even going to be allowed into was ok !!! 
This virus thrives on enclosed space a contact the sooner a lot of people realise that the better. Instead of this I’m all right jack attitude 

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1 hour ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 

They are the playing in France not in Scotland as the Pro14 is finished for the year. The decision was up to the French authorities and European Champions Cup organisers who decided that they could play. Not saying it’s right but it’s nothing to do with the Scottish government as they are not playing in Scotland.

 

 

Edited to add: Aberdeen and Celtic weren’t punished the games were off due to a public health decision. Look at St Mirren who lost 3 keepers and still had to play games. You could argue that the games being off benefited the clubs.

Did Celtic and Aberdeen and players not get punished ? 
but what I basically meant was when it’s football they are way over the top but rugby seems to get it a little lighter as it’s a posh boy game lol

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10 minutes ago, andy25 said:

You just stay in the house and lock yourself away and the people who want to get on with life will.

Hope none of your close family or any of your friends catch the virus …… if they do it might change your opinion / attitude to it

Healthy 48 year old male taken to hospital end of April died 8 days later … … Brings a bit of reality to it when is someone you know 

Anyway you away down the park and play all you want with your mates 

Edited by Lobby Dossar

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Healthy people die every day. My dad was healthy dropped dead with a heart attack.
Life goes on.

Hope none of your close family or any of your friends catch the virus …… if they do it might change your opinion / attitude to it
Healthy 48 year old male taken to hospital end of April died 8 days later … … Brings a bit of reality to it when is someone you know 
Anyway you away down the park and play all you want with your mates 

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Did Celtic and Aberdeen and players not get punished ? 
but what I basically meant was when it’s football they are way over the top but rugby seems to get it a little lighter as it’s a posh boy game lol


As someone from Barrhead who played rugby for almost 20 years I can say it’s not all posh boys lol!!

I get your point and the players will be punished. Scottish rugby have only just found out about it in the last few days and it took almost 4 weeks for the SFA to punish the Aberdeen 8 and The Celtic 1, the 4 of them will be punished and Scottish rugby had a history of heavy punishments for things of this nature.

I don’t see the double standard tbh, the test event we don’t know exactly what the issue was but obviously Public Health Scotland had one which meant they cancelled the Celtic test event while allowing the Murrayfield one to go ahead but the results of the events are shared across the sporting scene in Scotland so it benefits football as much as rugby.

Going back to our level, if some of the rumours doing the rounds are true about next weeks announcements I do worry about the impact they will have on restarting the game never mind getting fans into grounds.

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Ok guys as survey time comes closer let’s have a wee look at the questions 

 

will fans be allowed in ? Don’t know 

will club survive without gate money ?no

Are you allowed to use the showers  ? Don’t know 

is that a health risk in the winter months  ? Possibly yes 

can the full league season be completed ? Don’t know 

how ca  you vote yes on the unknown. Yes we all want to play and watch football . It’s our life and blood but there becomes a point that you have to close the drain. You can’t keep emptying the well . The clubs have had no financial support from the Sfa. The big clubs all got £50,000 to help we got SFA . Some big clubs gave their donation away to their charity foundations could they not have helped out the lower league clubs and gave a donation to the associations. Let’s look very closely at the situation lots of Managers and players  would like season to start they are hoping to get paid but club officials and volunteers are working their baws aff to make sure their clubs survive selling raffles getting sponsorship etc when nobody knows what’s happening unfortunately I think it’s a defo no go this season and hope everybody does the most sensible thing when the survey comes out . Don’t vote on the unknown vote on what info is available . A referee when inspecting the pitch on a wi gers morning can’t say pitch will be thawed out by 2 pm . More clubs will survive and come back a lot stronger if we wait and start next season. 

 

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You just stay in the house and lock yourself away and the people who want to get on with life will.
I think the part you may be missing is that you dont get to decide what happens in the country. Neither does the WOSFL, neither does the SFA.
It doesnt matter if you disagree with the restrictions put in place, that doesnt stop them.
All these people saying
'Wake up, this is all fake, it's not serious, wee cold, we need to get on with it, it will be with us for years, clubs will shut, we need football for mental health, you are all sheep, the tests are crap, dont get tests blah blah blah need to remember;

This government do not give a flying f**k about your opinion. They are a shoe in next year.
If the infection rate continues to rise, further restrictions will follow. Simple as that. The more people rebel, the worse the restrictions will go.
Sturgeon does not care about football. That's why she sends the wee plum Leitch to talk about it. It doesnt matter.

People either do what they are told, or football stops for a long time.
She doesnt care about non league football, no one that makes any big decisions care.

The implications of the virus are far worse than the virus itself. Everyone knows that. Not everyone is stupid enough to think that just doing what you want is the answer.

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The main issue will be players who are on pro contracts as if they are training and playing then legally they need to be paid at least the NLW/NMW for the hours they are "working". You cant just say to these boys aye we will give you £20 per week now without changing their contracts to amatuer status

Lets say clubs agree to pay players/ management team expences of £20 per week per head x 20 =£400
12  weeks from 10th Oct til end of the year= £4800+ cost of training with no gate money, how many clubs could stomach that?

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Life does go on .Some of us want to lead a life with some semblance of normality and not be locked down for ever.

‘Life goes on” - I pray god you’re not in charge of anything important 

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Possible outlook : vaccine can't be 100% safe,has side effects, the job losses go through the roof, loss of  NI and tax payments. No prospect of mass  employment on the horizon, resulting in overwhelming benefits claims. With Christmas soon, plunging people into debts they can't/won't pay, looked after by a useless, slow, selfish government. Can understand why some people just say get on with some sort of life.

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There is little sign so far that this "second wave" is anything more than a lot more mild and asymptomatic cases being identified now than was the case back in April due to increased testing. If we look elsewhere Spain has had a significant uptick on deaths and ICU admissions under similar circumstances, but Italy hasn't. We are in wait and see mode right now on WoS starting up with fans because the politicians don't want to be blamed if we follow the Spanish rather than the Italian trajectory before we see another plateau and decline with the new cases numbers.

Anyone who expected complete elimination any time soon was delusional. The near complete inaction by UK authorities to stop the initial spread from Jan to Mar until the exponential curve on deaths was already rocketing up (a further10 days or so of exponentially increasing numbers of new infections were already locked in by that point before the lockdown could have any effect) gave COVID-19 the chance to spread widely throughout the country.  Once the genie is out of the bottle like that an elimination strategy would be very difficult and economically ruinous to achieve given how easily it spreads and how many mild and asymptomatic cases there are. Life can't grind to a halt completely and there were always plenty of people who had to be out and about performing essential services.

The rational course of action is to accept that although there is still some risk involved on moving towards normality, it is probably no more drastic than the other risks we face every day of our lives. A large portion of the population has already been exposed to COVID without even being aware of it, so it is most likely largely over by this point.

Edited by LongTimeLurker

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11 hours ago, iceicebaby said:

The main issue will be players who are on pro contracts as if they are training and playing then legally they need to be paid at least the NLW/NMW for the hours they are "working". You cant just say to these boys aye we will give you £20 per week now without changing their contracts to amatuer status

Couple of points.

Contracts dont kick in til real football starts, so anything agreed between club and players meantime is exactly that, an Agreement.

Never seen a contract yet that mentions hourly rate,not even sure if minimum wage applies either.

 Do some folk actually think clubs should start paying players straight away with no gate money, keep doing so for an indefinite period then just fold when nothing left.

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18 hours ago, timeforchange said:

The clubs have had no financial support from the Sfa. The big clubs all got £50,000 to help we got SFA . Some big clubs gave their donation away to their charity foundations could they not have helped out the lower league clubs and gave a donation to the associations. 

 

1). The £50000 came from James Anderson, not the SFA.   There were also conditions on how it was used with basically 2 options, use it to help get the club ready to re-start(crucially nothing to be spent on wages) or give it to your foundation.   The clubs didn’t have the option of giving it to the non-league game,. And even if they did I’m not sure why they would,.  The spfl clubs are struggling with the same issues.

1 hour ago, The Ilford Drummer said:

Couple of points.

Contracts dont kick in til real football starts, so anything agreed between club and players meantime is exactly that, an Agreement.

Never seen a contract yet that mentions hourly rate,not even sure if minimum wage applies either.

 Do some folk actually think clubs should start paying players straight away with no gate money, keep doing so for an indefinite period then just fold when nothing left.

I’d have thought contracts kick in on a start date,  I can’t imagine many people signing a contract that only comes into effect at some mythical point in the future.    I’d certainly not think players would be training and playing friendlies without being under contract.  And if they aren’t under contract, then they can’t be registered,  so they’re free to go play for another club. There might be agreements,  but certainly nothing signed.

Contracts might not mention hours, but that means nothing in terms of NMW. If they are working for you then their wages need to meet the NMW x the number of hours they worked at minimum.  NMW has to apply,  unless your players are amateurs.

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So what’s the wording on the deals? Are players training and playing friendlies as amateurs?  Are they registered as such?


You used to be able to put a clause in the contract that allowed contracts to start but payments not made until competitive games were played. Don’t know if it is still done that way but many clubs used this.

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