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[rncaa]

Already read of some muppets saying they will goad down and watch a game tomorrow from outside. 

Games behind closed doors at this level are totally pointless and idiotic only someone with no clue about this level of football would sign off on that. 

It wont happen anyway but to be even thinking about it now is madness in a nutshell. 

[andy25]

How can you stop people watching from outside?
I agree behind closed doors at this level is pointless but I wouldn't be surprised to see season start on 10th.

Already read of some muppets saying they will goad down and watch a game tomorrow from outside. 
Games behind closed doors at this level are totally pointless and idiotic only someone with no clue about this level of football would sign off on that. 
It wont happen anyway but to be even thinking about it now is madness in a nutshell. 

[Innocent bystander]

40 minutes ago, andy25 said:

46 minutes ago, marconi said:

is it still the intention to begin non league on 11th october or is it put back three weeks like everything else. i would like other posters opinion but really want something official.

There was an article today in which Dave McKenna said the intention was still to start on 10th October but would be behind closed doors.

If that’s the case clubs need to speak up. Well aware of more than a few who have concerns for their future. No revenue from supporters will certainly see a high number struggle to survive. There are a number of clubs who came from the junior ranks with a proud history. Spineless leadership sticking 2 fingers up at them. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

19 minutes ago, Innocent bystander said:

If that’s the case clubs need to speak up. Well aware of more than a few who have concerns for their future. No revenue from supporters will certainly see a high number struggle to survive. There are a number of clubs who came from the junior ranks with a proud history. Spineless leadership sticking 2 fingers up at them. 

Mother of fück!

[Andy groundhopper]

What's the idea, play say 4 games to see how clubs manage things and then drip feed fans back into the game ? What if a club says 'we don't like this' and refuses to play ?  Only my opinion but I'd say all the governing bodies haven't a clue what to do - running scared shirtless just in case something happens on their watch.

[rncaa]

46 minutes ago, Innocent bystander said:

If that’s the case clubs need to speak up. Well aware of more than a few who have concerns for their future. No revenue from supporters will certainly see a high number struggle to survive. There are a number of clubs who came from the junior ranks with a proud history. Spineless leadership sticking 2 fingers up at them. 

This is what you have with spineless leadership mostly from people with no backbone who were happy to abandon what the club they are custodians of for a short time stood for and will go along with whatever the utterly incompetent national association .

Add to that a temporary chairman or whatever you want to call him from a club with no fans and sugar daddy businessmen behind them who don't need fans then this is what you get a total lack of understanding. 

Only chink of light in a dire time is the respected and competent kennie young being involved maybe he can talk some sense into the charlatans. 

Edited September 11, 2020 by rncaa

[Sergeant Wilson]

12 minutes ago, rncaa said:

This is what you have with spineless leadership mostly from people with no backbone who were happy to abandon what the club they are custodians of for a short time stood for and will go along with whatever the utterly incompetent national association .

Add to that a temporary chairman or whatever you want to call him from a club with no fans and sugar daddy businessmen behind them who don't need fans then this is what you get a total lack of understanding. 

Only chink of light in a dire time is the respected and competent kennie young being involved maybe he can talk some sense into the charlatans. 

a) Reported!

 b) "Listen Tim, a triple album is too much."

Edited September 11, 2020 by Sergeant Wilson

[FairWeatherFan]

18 minutes ago, rncaa said:

This is what you have with spineless leadership mostly from people with no backbone who were happy to abandon what the club they are custodians of for a short time stood for and will go along with whatever the utterly incompetent national association .

Add to that a temporary chairman or whatever you want to call him from a club with no fans and sugar daddy businessmen behind them who don't need fans then this is what you get a total lack of understanding. 

Only chink of light in a dire time is the respected and competent kennie young being involved maybe he can talk some sense into the charlatans. 

Buckie Rovers just put themselves into abeyance for the season. Nothing to stop any other club from doing the same. Eyemouth United basically did last year. Wigtown & Bladnoch were another recent senior club to do it.

The lack of fans has nothing to do with the leagues. They're just trying to work around so they're prepared in expectation that fans will be welcomed soon.

[theesel1994]

6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Buckie Rovers just put themselves into abeyance for the season. Nothing to stop any other club from doing the same.

Would any WoSL club doing this be excluded from the 2021-22 South Region Challenge Cup as a result?

[Ginaro]

2 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

Would any WoSL club doing this be excluded from the 2021-22 South Region Challenge Cup as a result?

We don't have the updated rules but this is what the rules from 2017 say http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SFA-South-Region-Challenge-Cup-regulations-version-4.pdf

5.5 Any Club which refuses or fails to play against the Club against which it is drawn, without, in the opinion of the Competition Committee, having sufficient reason for so doing shall be adjudged to have lost the tie and may be sanctioned by the Competition Committee.

5.6 Any Club which intends to scratch shall give notice to the Secretary and to the Secretary of the Club against which it is drawn, at least four days before the date fixed for playing the tie. All cases of Clubs scratching shall be reported to the Competition Committee, who shall have the power to order the said Club to reimburse its opponents for any expenditure, loss or damage incurred, or to take such action or sanctions as it deems fit. Any Club which fails to give a satisfactory reason for scratching, or which withdraws from the Competition without first obtaining the consent of the Competition Committee, shall not be allowed to take part in the Competition in the following season.

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

Would any WoSL club doing this be excluded from the 2021-22 South Region Challenge Cup as a result?

 

2 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

We don't have the updated rules but this is what the rules from 2017 say http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SFA-South-Region-Challenge-Cup-regulations-version-4.pdf

5.5 Any Club which refuses or fails to play against the Club against which it is drawn, without, in the opinion of the Competition Committee, having sufficient reason for so doing shall be adjudged to have lost the tie and may be sanctioned by the Competition Committee.

5.6 Any Club which intends to scratch shall give notice to the Secretary and to the Secretary of the Club against which it is drawn, at least four days before the date fixed for playing the tie. All cases of Clubs scratching shall be reported to the Competition Committee, who shall have the power to order the said Club to reimburse its opponents for any expenditure, loss or damage incurred, or to take such action or sanctions as it deems fit. Any Club which fails to give a satisfactory reason for scratching, or which withdraws from the Competition without first obtaining the consent of the Competition Committee, shall not be allowed to take part in the Competition in the following season.

Think under the circumstances there wouldn't be an issue. Most recent example was just last year. Eyemouth United were in the 2019-20 draw but withdrew before the start of the season. They're in the 2020-21 draw.

[jimbaxters]

1 hour ago, theesel1994 said:

Would any WoSL club doing this be excluded from the 2021-22 South Region Challenge Cup as a result?

A fate worse than death!

[TheLad]

is it still the intention to begin non league on 11th october or is it put back three weeks like everything else. i would like other posters opinion but really want something official.

It was always the intention to start around this time and always the intention for it to be behind closed doors.
I called out the 'no changing rooms' a few weeks ago and people shot that down. It was obvious.
It also falls in line with the 6 rule, which the SFA knew was coming a few weeks ago and if this trend continues, the full lockdown from 3 weeks on monday I heard from the same SG source (if infection rates dont go down) is real then that will be just before the competitive games are due to start. disaster.

The next few weeks are a test to see how compliant folk are.
Reports of folk going to watch games from outside, teams maybe using changing rooms, travelling outwith, etc will confirm to the government what the SFA are trying to avoid with all their rules.

ADULTS CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

It doesnt matter if people think they know better, think unless people are dying then it doesnt matter.
The government want to see certain numbers and trends and until they do, things will regress.

I've spoke to loads of folk in the last day or so who have said they downright will not be following the new restrictions. It's a load of shite. They are probably right but it will lead to further restrictions. 100%

If you want to help your club, stay away. You've not seen a game for 6 months, what's potentially a few weeks more?

[Tutankhamen]

5 minutes ago, TheLad said:

It was always the intention to start around this time and always the intention for it to be behind closed doors.
I called out the 'no changing rooms' a few weeks ago and people shot that down. It was obvious.
It also falls in line with the 6 rule, which the SFA knew was coming a few weeks ago and if this trend continues, the full lockdown from 3 weeks on monday I heard from the same SG source (if infection rates dont go down) is real then that will be just before the competitive games are due to start. disaster.

The next few weeks are a test to see how compliant folk are.
Reports of folk going to watch games from outside, teams maybe using changing rooms, travelling outwith, etc will confirm to the government what the SFA are trying to avoid with all their rules.

ADULTS CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

It doesnt matter if people think they know better, think unless people are dying then it doesnt matter.
The government want to see certain numbers and trends and until they do, things will regress.

I've spoke to loads of folk in the last day or so who have said they downright will not be following the new restrictions. It's a load of shite. They are probably right but it will lead to further restrictions. 100%

If you want to help your club, stay away. You've not seen a game for 6 months, what's potentially a few weeks more?

If the death rate starts to rise, then it's over for this season. 

All will be decided on the October 5th.

[LongTimeLurker]

What's happening in Sweden shows it should be possible to get football back soon with no significant negative public health effects. The problem we have is that with a stricter lockdown back in April there are still sizable numbers of people who missed being exposed to the virus during the first wave, so when restrictions get eased again there was always going to be a bit of a dead cat bounce effect on new cases. That makes the optics of easing restrictions further difficult for the politicians until we have the second peak on the decline.

It will be a while before anyone in authority wants to tell the punters that there was never likely to be a vaccine before we had all had the chance to play Russian roulette with COVID-19 given the initial very high R0 number and that with the benefit of hindsight the Swedish approach would probably have been the better way to go given the IFR turned out to be much lower than initially feared, so for now we still have to pretend that the lockdown made a huge difference and go through the motions on having some tighter restrictions reimposed. They play their games to power, and cut and mark the pack...

Edited September 12, 2020 by LongTimeLurker

[santheman]

You just need to look at St Mirren

2 players operating under some of the strictest protocols in the country, being tested every week and the virus still gets 2 of them, so what are the chances that non league players will somehow escape unscathed..

Once games start it’s inevitable that cases will happen then that’s when it will become interesting.

[Arthurlie1981]

You just need to look at St Mirren
2 players operating under some of the strictest protocols in the country, being tested every week and the virus still gets 2 of them, so what are the chances that non league players will somehow escape unscathed..
Once games start it’s inevitable that cases will happen then that’s when it will become interesting.

You’ve already got one with Bellshill’s game v Newmains off as one of the Bellshill players has tested positive.

[rncaa]

Time to end this farce and forget about 20-21 season put everyone out of misery and take the pointless pressure and stress off clubs and people involved. 

This is just painful now. 

The top flight in this country spending a fortune will struggle along and hopefully finish the season everything else forget it. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by rncaa

[Derry]

Seen on anther thread that team has there social club open in the ground when there is a game on today surely that is asking for bother lol 

[Marten]

9 minutes ago, rncaa said:

Time to end this farce and forget about 20-21 season put everyone out of misery and take the pointless pressure and stress off clubs and people involved. 

This is just painful now. 

The top flight in this country spending a fortune will struggle along and hopefully finish the season everything else forget it. 

Yeah, because resigning to no football at all is definitely better than exploring the options there are...