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Meant to add to my reply to Parsforlife that it is mainly due to how players are paid. If clubs are paying through bank transfer then they normally as for payment (or if you are paying above what the wages are).

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3 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

Meant to add to my reply to Parsforlife that it is mainly due to how players are paid. If clubs are paying through bank transfer then they normally as for payment (or if you are paying above what the wages are).

Can’t be that common for many to be payed through anything that’s not bank transfer surely?  Especially now.

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Can’t be that common for many to be payed through anything that’s not bank transfer surely?  Especially now.


Well I am guessing there might be changes due to the pandemic (I doubt many players outside of the SPFL are getting paid) but up until last season I would guess a majority of club at this level still paid cash. I would doubt many have the facilities to invoice and process payments. But my point is that it is possible to do it either way.

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19 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 


Well I am guessing there might be changes due to the pandemic (I doubt many players outside of the SPFL are getting paid) but up until last season I would guess a majority of club at this level still paid cash. I would doubt many have the facilities to invoice and process payments. But my point is that it is possible to do it either way.

Unless the cash is in brown envelopes or stuffed in boots, the club needs to process PAYE and NI. Once that is in place, arranging bank transfers is a piece of cake. And much easier than cash.

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27 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Unless the cash is in brown envelopes or stuffed in boots, the club needs to process PAYE and NI. Once that is in place, arranging bank transfers is a piece of cake. And much easier than cash.

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I think only the top clubs will have anyone having any NI deductions made (assuming brown envelopes are avoided). Tax is only an issue because for most players it is a second job.
As for bank transfers - isn't that how the refs and assistants get paid now?

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1 hour ago, Stag Nation said:

Will they? Is that an SFA rule?

If not, it's surely a matter for negotiation.

The government is effectively paying the players wages and not the club if he is furloughed and if the club take him off furlough they will then have to pay them.Don't think any club that has furloughed there players will be willing to pay a players wage or part of it to play for someone else when they have no match day income You never know though..Even if  some team is willing to pay the players full wage (or more ) they would only be having him for a certain period 

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You can say "effectively" all you want - but legally it isn't the case. The Employer pays the player to avoid making him redundant (the clue is in the name - Job Retention Scheme). The Employer in turn receives a grant to fund this. The Employer is TAXED on this funding.

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Unless the cash is in brown envelopes or stuffed in boots, the club needs to process PAYE and NI. Once that is in place, arranging bank transfers is a piece of cake. And much easier than cash.


I don’t know why you are bringing brown envelopes into this discussion but to get back to the point there are many players who prefer being paid in cash for a number of personal reasons. There are clubs who prefer it too and we shouldn’t get hung up on it.

I only brought up payments in relation to payments for loan players.

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28 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

You can say "effectively" all you want - but legally it isn't the case. The Employer pays the player to avoid making him redundant (the clue is in the name - Job Retention Scheme). The Employer in turn receives a grant to fund this. The Employer is TAXED on this funding.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-furlough-scheme-job-protection

The club pays the player 80% of his average wage including bonuses .It is then claimed back from the  the government .The player will be taxed at the appropriate rate on the payment not the club.

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9 minutes ago, Bheaten Castard said:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-furlough-scheme-job-protection

The club pays the player 80% of his average wage including bonuses .It is then claimed back from the  the government .The player will be taxed at the appropriate rate on the payment not the club.

I'm fairly certain that's what I just said - the only bit you missed out is the Employer being taxed on the Grant they received. Yes, the players (employees) are taxed as well. That's how PAYE works.
EDIT : When I say "taxed" I mean the grant is treated as taxable income.

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