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[Ceejayar 450]

So there has been an under 16’s game cancelled this weekend and all the boys have had to isolate because a positive test came back from a team they played the previous weekend, is this the same set of protocols for WOSL teams?

[Dev 689]

On 15/11/2020 at 16:59, Tutankhamen said:

And I don't think the WoSFL leadership wouldn't change the rules in a heartbeat if challenged by certain clubs.

Your not in the Juniors now, remember Talbot?

[Gazzah 50]

So there has been an under 16’s game cancelled this weekend and all the boys have had to isolate because a positive test came back from a team they played the previous weekend, is this the same set of protocols for WOSL teams?

It’s the same in the ammies league. There is over 60 players having to isolate from the Fife leagues just now. This wasn’t the original protocol though when the leagues were started. My local team had a positive test early on and only the two who travelled with him had to isolate.

[Ceejayar 450]

1 hour ago, Gazzah said:

 

It’s the same in the ammies league. There is over 60 players having to isolate from the Fife leagues just now. This wasn’t the original protocol though when the leagues were started. My local team had a positive test early on and only the two who travelled with him had to isolate.

 

Wow, it does seem a bit over the top when there is no use of indoor facilities, there will be no player within 1metre of another for 15 mins let alone a whole team.

[Gazzah 50]

Wow, it does seem a bit over the top when there is no use of indoor facilities, there will be no player within 1metre of another for 15 mins let alone a whole team.

 

 

Exactly when it first started up with contact training etc we had a positive test.The player had trained twice that week due to being outside nobody other than the two who travelled to Training with the positive player had to isolate. Now in the Fife league we are seeing track and trace contact and isolate anyone in the red zone (players and ref )meaning boys are getting threatened with their jobs if continue to play

Football . It’s the inconsistency that’s frustrating for everyone as the rules have changed once the season started.

[jimbaxters 2,423]

1 hour ago, Gazzah said:

 

 

Exactly when it first started up with contact training etc we had a positive test.The player had trained twice that week due to being outside nobody other than the two who travelled to Training with the positive player had to isolate. Now in the Fife league we are seeing track and trace contact and isolate anyone in the red zone (players and ref )meaning boys are getting threatened with their jobs if continue to play

Football . It’s the inconsistency that’s frustrating for everyone as the rules have changed once the season started.

It's not inconsistency though, it's a rule change. That's only to be expected as the conditions change. Hence the increase in levels as numbers go up.

Edited November 17, 2020 by jimbaxters

[The Ilford Drummer 253]

Yet Yoker got penalised for doing exactly the same.

[Gazzah 50]

It's not inconsistency though, it's a rule change. That's only to be expected as the conditions change. Hence the increase in levels as numbers go up.

Sorry I worded my reply wrongly It’s not actually a rule change though there has been no clarification of it and why track and trace are saying different things to different teams.

[Lobby Dossar 145]

2 hours ago, Gazzah said:

 

Sorry I worded my reply wrongly It’s not actually a rule change though there has been no clarification of it and why track and trace are saying different things to different teams.

 

Think you’ll find that a lot of clubs are not following the guidelines to the letter.

When questioned by Test and Trace they find out that their travelling 4 / 5 in  a car and are getting change close to each other when you put all this evidence together And with numbers of infections showing no sign of declining so T&T are erroring on the side of caution.

[ernest 8]

Only solution is stop this madness until we eradicate this virus

 
 
Exactly when it first started up with contact training etc we had a positive test.The player had trained twice that week due to being outside nobody other than the two who travelled to Training with the positive player had to isolate. Now in the Fife league we are seeing track and trace contact and isolate anyone in the red zone (players and ref )meaning boys are getting threatened with their jobs if continue to play
Football . It’s the inconsistency that’s frustrating for everyone as the rules have changed once the season started.

[eaglelok 69]

5 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

Think you’ll find that a lot of clubs are not following the guidelines to the letter.

When questioned by Test and Trace they find out that their travelling 4 / 5 in  a car and are getting change close to each other when you put all this evidence together And with numbers of infections showing no sign of declining so T&T are erroring on the side of caution.

And now that the league have shown with yoker that you will lose the 3pts teams will be telling players not to tell if they have confirmed cases to track and trace . So they dont need to forfeit the game and lose the 3pts . 

[Dev 689]

8 minutes ago, ernest said:

Only solution is stop this madness until we eradicate this virus

If only!

The best chance seems to be controlling the virus, as far as possible. Part of that would mean vaccination but, like flu, it may be an annual vaccination because the virus mutates, and is already doing so.

The American vaccines need two jabs before they work so that seems to me to be a problem when your dealing with tens of millions of people. If the UK has bought 40 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine it means that this will cover 20 million people. It also means that it slows down the whole vaccination process i.e. if only one dose was needed per person then you could deal with 40 million people in the same time period as you can for either of the two American vaccines. They don't sound much use to me. We need a vaccine which only needs one jab per person.

The other thing is that the two American vaccines haven't any idea, yet, as to whether they will help the elderly, Because the virus hits the elderly hardest this is a bit of a f..k up it seems to me.

[cmontheloknow 3,779]

7 minutes ago, eaglelok said:

And now that the league have shown with yoker that you will lose the 3pts teams will be telling players not to tell if they have confirmed cases to track and trace . So they dont need to forfeit the game and lose the 3pts . 

I thought the issue with Yoker is they tried to get players to self isolate WITHOUT T&T telling them to. You have to play the game unless a significant number are asked to self-isolate by T&T and Yoker tried to get the game put off without this official contact and order having being made.

The problem is T&T is glacial and it doesn't work with football matches that have a specific date. Yoker did right by the health of their players but that doesn't fit with the rules which i guess are there for reasons of integrity as unfortunately games have been put off in the past by clubs for dodgy reasons - lost crossbars, flooded pitches, misplaced keys to dressing rooms etc.... being 'at it' due to covid is completely feasible and it's unfortunate Yoker got caught out by the letter of the law here. 

[Dev 689]

19 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

Think you’ll find that a lot of clubs are not following the guidelines to the letter.

When questioned by Test and Trace they find out that their travelling 4 / 5 in  a car and are getting change close to each other when you put all this evidence together And with numbers of infections showing no sign of declining so T&T are erroring on the side of caution.

How is your club managing?

[FairWeatherFan 3,755]

3 minutes ago, eaglelok said:

And now that the league have shown with yoker that you will lose the 3pts teams will be telling players not to tell if they have confirmed cases to track and trace . So they dont need to forfeit the game and lose the 3pts . 

What happened with Yoker might not apply to the vast majority of clubs. Going by what they said clubs are allowed a COVID related postponement if they have proof of a minimum 7 players that have either tested positive, waiting on results on tests or asked to self isolate by T&T.

Yoker didn't have that at the time as they only found out about the first positive case on the Friday which seems to have led to two other players getting tested and so were in isolation until getting their results. Yoker decided to call off the game awaiting further guidance from T&T. The fact they were playing again on the 14th suggests no further action was taken by T&T whenever that feedback came through.

[Lobby Dossar 145]

6 minutes ago, Dev said:

How is your club managing?

 Bending the rules to suit themselves the same as the majority of “professional “ clubs in the devision  that they play in 

[Dev 689]

2 hours ago, Lobby Dossar said:

 Bending the rules to suit themselves the same as the majority of “professional “ clubs in the devision  that they play in 

Which other clubs do you know of that have followed the same route as your club?

 

[Lobby Dossar 145]

14 minutes ago, Dev said:

Which other clubs do you know of that have followed the same route as your club?

 

Every club in the leagues are setting their own interpretations of the guidelines.

For example saying that have a media team and press officer to get games online is just flouting the rules and making a mockery of the situation. Most teams have trouble filling committee posts at the best of times now committee men are coming out the woodwork just to get into games. 

From Friday it will be illegal for me to travel the 5 miles to Wishaw because it’s in North Lanarkshire but the boy 2 doors up from me who works in Tesco’s Monday to Friday but miraculously becomes a professional footballer player on a Saturday and can travel all over the West of Scotland. 
 

Fucking joke time people got real with what is going on

Edited November 17, 2020 by Lobby Dossar

[The Ilford Drummer 253]

3 or 4 committee men sharing a car going from one tier to another but it's ok cos it's professional sport.

Bonkers.

[Stag Nation 436]

5 hours ago, Gazzah said:

 

Sorry I worded my reply wrongly It’s not actually a rule change though there has been no clarification of it and why track and trace are saying different things to different teams.

Maybe because they're being told different things by different teams/players?