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10 hours ago, not man of the match said:

So many panty wetters in here gagging for the WOSFL to fail. Sad stuff.

No one wants it to fail, just looking for some clubs to show a bit of common sense otherwise there will be no spectators allowed in any time soon which is what everyone wants surely ?

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15 hours ago, Lobby Dossar said:

Agreed 

But during this tier 4 lockdown the WoSFL should show some leadership and shut the leagues down until 12th December 

At the end of the day outdoor activities are not done indoors and that is where the damage has been done. Many thousands of football matches played at semi-pro and amateur level elsewhere have shown this but the SG and Wales Govt have both not woken up to this nor can they be bothered to.

Attending matches can be done but no-one is forced to play or be a ref or official or a spectator but that choice has been taken away even though we are at the stage where it is clear that, subject to common sense covid controls, matches at amateur and semi-pro levels have been shown not to be high risk.

The SG and WG just don't relate to football at these levels and still think of them as being full time clubs with hordes of uncontrollable fans.

Therefore what is the point of closing down whole sections of lower level football and preventing supporters from helping their clubs via attending home matches?

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12 minutes ago, santheman said:

No one wants it to fail, just looking for some clubs to show a bit of common sense otherwise there will be no spectators allowed in any time soon which is what everyone wants surely ?

But the point is that the SG has got this wrong but won't/cannot adjust their thinking in order to deal with what really happens with covid  i.e. is that it mainly (not exclusively) spreads through socialising indoors. All that happens is that MSPs listen and sympathise and then carry on regardless. If clubs die it will be partly down to this.

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But the point is that the SG has got this wrong but won't/cannot adjust their thinking in order to deal with what really happens with covid  i.e. is that it mainly (not exclusively) spreads through socialising indoors. All that happens is that MSPs listen and sympathise and then carry on regardless. If clubs die it will be partly down to this.


Jason Leitch answered the question on a radio advert regarding crowds at our level. The issue (as I have said many times in the past few weeks) is not exclusively the people in the ground it is travelling. The advice that PHS have given SG is the people travelling unnecessarily is causing an issue (hence the travel guidance becoming law as of Friday which I think is overreach by SG).
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Some people seem to think vaccination will be done in a very short time and the problem will be resolved but the process will take months rather than weeks before any changes will take effect according to the experts.

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5 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 


Jason Leitch answered the question on a radio advert regarding crowds at our level. The issue (as I have said many times in the past few weeks) is not exclusively the people in the ground it is travelling. The advice that PHS have given SG is the people travelling unnecessarily is causing an issue (hence the travel guidance becoming law as of Friday which I think is overreach by SG).

 

If people travel and then break sensible anti-covid rules it is a problem, OK, but if they're travelling by car and then complying with the rules then the risk is kept as low as practically possible. Some travelling won't comply whatever is said or done and that is a risk, for sure, as they are already doing this and nothing will stop them, so why ban supporters etc of football and other activities? It won't make any difference to covid as it will go on as long as infected people socialise indoors.

However, Jason Leitch is hardly likely, it seems, to pay attention to what has actually happened re the amateur/semi-pro matches which have already been played for many months now in England. If he had then he wouldn't be chirping up this stuff. Of course he is going to be objective - but that should include finding out what has already happened elsewhere shouldn't it? .... so how and why is he coming to his conclusions?

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3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...and at a time when the news on vaccines is beyond anything we could have reasonably expected a few weeks back:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54986208

Choosing a vaccine which has to be carried via two injections done weeks apart means the vaccine programme will take twice as long compared to a vaccine which requires only one jab. That's a problem given the circumstances. Hopefully the answer, in the form of a one jab vaccine, will be announced soon.

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It's not ideal, but really they only need to do people 70+ (especially in care homes), health professionals and some other high risk groups to put a massive dent in deaths if it really does have 95% efficacy, and these companies have been in mass production already in anticipation of approval. The largest unknown right now is how long these mRNA type vaccines will be effective for. If it's a few years before people need some sort of booster shot the end is very much in sight.

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If people travel and then break sensible anti-covid rules it is a problem, OK, but if they're travelling by car and then complying with the rules then the risk is kept as low as practically possible. Some travelling won't comply whatever is said or done and that is a risk, for sure, as they are already doing this and nothing will stop them, so why ban supporters etc of football and other activities? It won't make any difference to covid as it will go on as long as infected people socialise indoors.
However, Jason Leitch is hardly likely, it seems, to pay attention to what has actually happened re the amateur/semi-pro matches which have already been played for many months now in England. If he had then he wouldn't be chirping up this stuff. Of course he is going to be objective - but that should include finding out what has already happened elsewhere shouldn't it? .... so how and why is he coming to his conclusions?


Having worked with Jason Leitch on an issue relating to creating a safe working environment for a key sector I can tell you that he and PHS look right across the world to what is happening but just because one country does it doesn’t mean others should. At the end of the day the politicians are given advice and choose to follow it or not.

It maybe that the health professionals in England didn’t want fans at any games but the politicians decided it was ok at smaller venues. My best guess would be that is the case given that when Liverpool area moved to the highest level of restrictions (prior to lockdown) they told fans not to go to games.

Most if not all posters on here are not privy to the discussions and evidence being given to the politicians on this issue so we might never know what the reasons are.
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1 hour ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

It could be worse. Scottish Rugby today called off the entire club rugby season. At least there is football at this level and maybe we should be thankful rather than shouting for more exceptions for fans to return.

Apart from the semi-pro Super 6, club rugby is supposed to be entirely amateur so at least it's consistent with football.

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Apart from the semi-pro Super 6, club rugby is supposed to be entirely amateur so at least it's consistent with football.


I know and agree with your point regarding that players not being paid out with the Super 6, which has also been called off. I wasn’t doing it as a comparison was just making a general point that other sports have been cancelled and clubs that have chosen to play should be thankful for the decision taken to allow them to keep playing.
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18 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

It's not ideal, but really they only need to do people 70+ (especially in care homes), health professionals and some other high risk groups to put a massive dent in deaths if it really does have 95% efficacy, and these companies have been in mass production already in anticipation of approval. The largest unknown right now is how long these mRNA type vaccines will be effective for. If it's a few years before people need some sort of booster shot the end is very much in sight.

Looks like the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine is well on the way to being effective with the elderly and a one jab procedure. UK has ordered 100 million apparently. Read that the Care Homes will be given the top priority then NHS staff then over 80's.

It has also been announced that local Health authorities/boards etc already have their plans in place to start vaccinating people as soon as they receive the vaccines and one says it is waiting to start in early December.

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17 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

 


Having worked with Jason Leitch on an issue relating to creating a safe working environment for a key sector I can tell you that he and PHS look right across the world to what is happening but just because one country does it doesn’t mean others should. At the end of the day the politicians are given advice and choose to follow it or not.

It maybe that the health professionals in England didn’t want fans at any games but the politicians decided it was ok at smaller venues. My best guess would be that is the case given that when Liverpool area moved to the highest level of restrictions (prior to lockdown) they told fans not to go to games.

Most if not all posters on here are not privy to the discussions and evidence being given to the politicians on this issue so we might never know what the reasons are.

 

I think what you say here is right.

However, when the examples of other countries are in the UK and all four Governments sit down together frequently over covid it is hard to avoid concluding that Mr Leitch and or the politicians have missed a trick here. 

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I think what you say here is right.
However, when the examples of other countries are in the UK and all four Governments sit down together frequently over covid it is hard to avoid concluding that Mr Leitch and or the politicians have missed a trick here. 


Your missing my point though which is that it might not be our politicians that have missed the trick its maybe England and Northern Ireland that have. We don’t know the evidence provided to governments say. Personally I think we should have the evidence and the government should treat people like adults and provide as much detail about why decisions are taken.
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Is there hope yet of financial help from the UK Government via the SP?

From the BBC web site:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54998979

Interesting to read that the UK Government has allocated  "a rescue package of £300m of emergency funding for sports impacted by the absence of spectators because of coronavirus."

A breakdown of funding distribution (preliminary figures):

Note: The final amount received by each sport/organisation may differ from the amounts set out when final decisions are made by an independent decision-making board, and supported by Sport England.

Football: £28m - National League (steps 1-2): £11m; National League (steps 3-6): £14m; Women's Football (Women's Super League and FA Women's Championship): £3m

AND:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/55004568

Scottish government seeks clarity on UK emergency sports funding

The Scottish government is seeking "urgent clarification" from its UK counterpart about the amount of funding available for sports.

The UK government is to provide £300m of loans and grants for sports in England impacted by the absence of fans because of Covid-19.

That money will mean an increase in cash for the devolved governments, who decide how to spend it. 

The Scottish government welcomed the announcement, but want more detail.

"This has been an enormously challenging time for the sport sector and we appreciate the sacrifices made by supporters, clubs and authorities over the past months to help us tackle the virus," a spokesperson said.

"We welcome the announcement of a UK government support scheme for sports impacted by the loss of spectators during the pandemic, and will seek urgent clarification on the Barnett consequential funding as a result in order to support the sector in Scotland."

The funding in England extends to rugby union and rugby league, as well as horse racing, women's football, motorsport, tennis, netball, basketball, ice hockey, badminton and greyhound racing.

Men's football above non-league level is not on the list, but it would be for the Scottish government to decide how to allocate the extra cash in Scotland.

The government added it "will continue to work with the [sport] sector to ensure their long-term sustainability".

They said: "Sport brings enjoyment to the many people who watch and play, and we don't want supporters to be delayed in returning to stadiums for any longer than is absolutely necessary."

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Sounded like IF fans get tested, they maybe able to go back into stadiums - in England I think. Be interesting to see how any money is distributed among clubs - as the National League clubs are arguing like mad down south. Guess the only problems with loans & grants is 'how to pay it back ? ' Can't see much trickling down the leagues tbh.

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