cmontheloknow Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Based on say an 18 man squad and management, that's a pretty high number. Heard of clubs down in Bristol (step 5/6) having a weekly budget of £2,000 getting under 200 through the gate at £6 a head. Must be generous sponsors eh. yeah well crowds are higher than that at the clubs I am thinking of but it will be more like a 20-24 man squad plus management. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, cmontheloknow said: yeah well crowds are higher than that at the clubs I am thinking of but it will be more like a 20-24 man squad plus management. With Pollok for example. one of the big clubs, with paying support and no sugar daddy, Id say their average crowd being somewhere from 400 to 600, ( some games were way above that size), last year and with a normal playing squad about 24/25, the minimum they would be paying out just for playing staff would be about £2000 a week, and that's a conservative estimate on outlay, I'd really expect nearing £3000 and if Pollok were charging £7 a game for the new season and new league then it would be somewhere between £2800 and £4200 a week that they are bringing in if its one game per week. Personally this tells me that its totally understandable why Pollok pulled the plug this season and I don't blame them. You could go through the reasoning for each and every team who has withdrawn this season and the same with every team that stayed. We could never envisage this Covid effect throughout the world and how its massacred our football throughout the country and I don't think any blame can be put on any of the clubs for their decision or for the associations and the decisions they came to being spelt out by the Government and Nicola Sturgeon Edited October 18, 2020 by Bestsinceslicebread 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 6 hours ago, theesel1994 said: Fixtures are up on the WoSFL website now (to January 2nd). https://wosfl.co.uk/fixtures-shell/premier-division/ https://wosfl.co.uk/fixtures-shell/conference-a/ https://wosfl.co.uk/fixtures-shell/conference-b/ https://wosfl.co.uk/fixtures-shell/conference-c/ Hopefully this not the long term future with joke fixture lists from the Junior days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: With Pollok for example. one of the big clubs, with paying support and no sugar daddy, Id say their average crowd being somewhere from 400 to 600, ( some games were way above that size), last year and with a normal playing squad about 24/25, the minimum they would be paying out just for playing staff would be about £2000 a week, and that's a conservative estimate on outlay, I'd really expect nearing £3000 and if Pollok were charging £7 a game for the new season and new league then it would be somewhere between £2800 and £4200 a week that they are bringing in if its one game per week. Personally this tells me that its totally understandable why Pollok pulled the plug this season and I don't blame them. You could go through the reasoning for each and every team who has withdrawn this season and the same with every team that stayed. We could never envisage this Covid effect throughout the world and how its massacred our football throughout the country and I don't think any blame can be put on any of the clubs for their decision or for the associations and the decisions they came to being spelt out by the Government and Nicola Sturgeon Last season's average for all games was 520, 547 in the league alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Are the players from the clubs that have withdrawn entitled to leave for free? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Are the players from the clubs that have withdrawn entitled to leave for free? Most of Pollok's players are on two year deals and I'd imagine they prepared these contracts with this eventuality in mind. I'd expect to see a fair few season long loan deals but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankies Alive Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, paul-r-cfc said: 34 minutes ago, John S said: Are the players from the clubs that have withdrawn entitled to leave for free? Most of Pollok's players are on two year deals and I'd imagine they prepared these contracts with this eventuality in mind. I'd expect to see a fair few season long loan deals but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. They’ll need to pay them full wages to keep them under contract surely? They’d be in breech if they didn’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibenji Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, paul-r-cfc said: 35 minutes ago, John S said: Are the players from the clubs that have withdrawn entitled to leave for free? Most of Pollok's players are on two year deals and I'd imagine they prepared these contracts with this eventuality in mind. I'd expect to see a fair few season long loan deals but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Loan deals seem silly if player safety and welfare is so important to the clubs, what are for example Rossvale doing differently that Pollok aren’t when it comes to player safety and welfare? Surely if you are so concerned for your players safety you wouldn’t be loaning them to another club in the same league with the same conditions as you would had you played 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, ibenji said: Loan deals seem silly if player safety and welfare is so important to the clubs, what are for example Rossvale doing differently that Pollok aren’t when it comes to player safety and welfare? Surely if you are so concerned for your players safety you wouldn’t be loaning them to another club in the same league with the same conditions as you would had you played Then the decisions were based upon the economics not so much player welfare? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Bankies Alive said: They’ll need to pay them full wages to keep them under contract surely? They’d be in breech if they didn’t. Yes correct, if the player is on a professional contract. Also if they loan the player out to a team who will pay their wages then said player is still contracted to Pollok. for example I think I'm correct in thinking that a Pollok player is loaned out to BSC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 The players themselves will have view on what's good for them and whether they want to play or not. Loan deals seem silly if player safety and welfare is so important to the clubs, what are for example Rossvale doing differently that Pollok aren’t when it comes to player safety and welfare? Surely if you are so concerned for your players safety you wouldn’t be loaning them to another club in the same league with the same conditions as you would had you played 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, John S said: The players themselves will have view on what's good for them and whether they want to play or not. The player's views don't absolve the employer from their responsibility under the Health and Safety At Work legislation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onebawcity1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 The player's views don't absolve the employer from their responsibility under the Health and Safety At Work legislation.But I'm sure it would be a welcome option for clubs, having another club take them off the wage bill for a season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthekid222 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 just a recent update from st cadocs one of Johnny Millars the ex Managers coaches https://nugent4nil.proboards.com/post/28842 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthekid222 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 The post i can't copy and paste from the forum but the content is saying from one of the coaches that they did not leave they were relieved of their duties (FIRED ) as they were not given complete control of the first team matters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Onebawcity1 said: 2 hours ago, Stag Nation said: The player's views don't absolve the employer from their responsibility under the Health and Safety At Work legislation. But I'm sure it would be a welcome option for clubs, having another club take them off the wage bill for a season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 They might be entitled to be freed if requested and choose to move elsewhere. The player's views don't absolve the employer from their responsibility under the Health and Safety At Work legislation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 15 hours ago, Tutankhamen said: Hopefully this not the long term future with joke fixture lists from the Junior days. The divisions were only decided on the night of 16th after the deadline had passed. Then the fixtures were out on the 18th. Juggling 4 idle teams, the SCC participation and a few groundshares takes a bit of work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Stag Nation said: The player's views don't absolve the employer from their responsibility under the Health and Safety At Work legislation. If clubs follow the guidelines/laws re covid then it would be mighty difficult to pin the blame on them for a player getting the disease, wouldn't it? The disease can be picked up elsewhere! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Yes correct, if the player is on a professional contract. Also if they loan the player out to a team who will pay their wages then said player is still contracted to Pollok. for example I think I'm correct in thinking that a Pollok player is loaned out to BSC We signed Darren Christie who made his debut and scored on Saturday. Couldn't tell you if its a loan deal or permanent though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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