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[classof2010]

Kick offs will be 2pm.

Why 2 o’clock I think we lose people with that some people work Saturday and struggle to make 2 pm and as said earlier people watch the live lunchtime game and would miss 2pm kick off

[glensmad]

Until more clubs have floodlights I think 2pm is a sensible option.

[holmparkheroes]

2pm suits me for a few reasons. If you are passing through Glasgow when OF fans are heading to Ibrox or Parkhead being that hour earlier can make it slightly better. Finishing earlier means most weeks I can be back in the pub to see my coupon fail yet again. Finally, if it was a 3pm for the clubs without lights it could be 3:00,2:45, 2:30 2:15, 2:00 ,1:45, 1:30, 1:45, 2:00, 2:15, 2:30, 2:45 and back to 3:00. Not good for the players or punters .

[DanMan]

2 hours ago, classof2010 said:

Why 2 o’clock I think we lose people with that some people work Saturday and struggle to make 2 pm and as said earlier people watch the live lunchtime game and would miss 2pm kick off

Too many clubs don't have floodlights. Bearing in mind K.O.'s have to be moved to 1.45 in the winter... How would 3pm KO work ??

[Ginaro]

24 minutes ago, DanMan said:

Too many clubs don't have floodlights. Bearing in mind K.O.'s have to be moved to 1.45 in the winter... How would 3pm KO work ??

The same way a 2pm kick-off works in the winter - it gets moved earlier....

IMO the middle ground of 2.30pm like the EOS is the best option, would be good to see some clubs trying it.

[DanMan]

9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

The same way a 2pm kick-off works in the winter - it gets moved earlier....

IMO the middle ground of 2.30pm like the EOS is the best option, would be good to see some clubs trying it.

It would need to get moved to 1.45 .. So what is the point ??

[The Ilford Drummer]

What about 38 games with no cups for one season utilising as many midweeks as possible.

Relegating 7 using a split would be very difficult

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, The Ilford Drummer said:

What about 38 games with no cups for one season utilising as many midweeks as possible.

Relegating 7 using a split would be very difficult

Between the whole of October and June you've got 39 weekends. It won't run until the end of June though. As they'd want to get back to some normality for 2021-22 and they'd want to at least set out with the intention of having the Champion in the Lowland League play-off.

Right now there's only the South Challenge Cup to compete in. Auchinleck Talbot also has the additional commitment of the Scottish Cup.

Can it be done? On paper you can get away with it. It's largely dependent on midweek games from the outset and the unknown factor is how postponements will push things past the breaking point.

[juventus]

Between the whole of October and June you've got 39 weekends. It won't run until the end of June though. As they'd want to get back to some normality for 2021-22 and they'd want to at least set out with the intention of having the Champion in the Lowland League play-off.
Right now there's only the South Challenge Cup to compete in. Auchinleck Talbot also has the additional commitment of the Scottish Cup.
Can it be done? On paper you can get away with it. It's largely dependent on midweek games from the outset and the unknown factor is how postponements will push things past the breaking point.

Also the Scottish Junior Cup 19/20

[Talbot supporter]

Did you hear that?
[emoji849]

Yeah

[FairWeatherFan]

15 minutes ago, juventus said:

Also the Scottish Junior Cup 19/20

We'll see how that goes. Certainly the SJFA have to put some plan in place the sooner the better. Once there's a start date to officially work towards league fixtures are going to eat up most of the calendar.

The Lowland area leagues are also trying to finish the 2019-20 SCC, which is down to the semi final stage. That's certainly a lot easier to organise as they can ensure a bye in the first round of the 2020-21 SCC to play the semis and then slot the final in where possible.

All 4 clubs also have floodlights so they could even try and squeeze the semis in midweek early on. Then have the final on the Sunday of the 1st Round weekend of the 2020-21 SCC.

It's easier to see how the 2019-20 SCC gets wrapped up as there isn't the same knock-on effects on the 2020-21 edition and doesn't have the same reverence making it easier to move around for convenience. The 2019-20 SJC needs 3 rounds and would ideally want weekend games to maximise attendances.

[glensmad]

The SJC won't be played on Saturdays in preference to WoSFL Premier Division games.

[jimbaxters]

9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

We'll see how that goes. Certainly the SJFA have to put some plan in place the sooner the better. Once there's a start date to officially work towards league fixtures are going to eat up most of the calendar.

The Lowland area leagues are also trying to finish the 2019-20 SCC, which is down to the semi final stage. That's certainly a lot easier to organise as they can ensure a bye in the first round of the 2020-21 SCC to play the semis and then slot the final in where possible.

All 4 clubs also have floodlights so they could even try and squeeze the semis in midweek early on. Then have the final on the Sunday of the 1st Round weekend of the 2020-21 SCC.

It's easier to see how the 2019-20 SCC gets wrapped up as there isn't the same knock-on effects on the 2020-21 edition and doesn't have the same reverence making it easier to move around for convenience. The 2019-20 SJC needs 3 rounds and would ideally want weekend games to maximise attendances.

Pretty sure TJ will be working on it furiously in his 9-5 full time role.

[FairWeatherFan]

3 minutes ago, glensmad said:

The SJC won't be played on Saturdays in preference to WoSFL Premier Division games.

In terms of finishing up the 2019-20 SJC. 5/6 are all in the same division now. So there is perhaps some shuffling they can get away with. Auchinleck and Darvel looking likely for floodlights helps with that.

[glensmad]

When the season gets underway, the concentration will be on getting as many league fixtures played as possible, especially if it's a 38-game season. The SJC 2019-20 won't be allowed to disrupt that, especially as the scheduling of the SJC is not part of the WoSFL Fixture Secretary's remit.

 

 

[jimbaxters]

4 minutes ago, glensmad said:

When the season gets underway, the concentration will be on getting as many league fixtures played as possible, especially if it's a 38-game season. The SJC 2019-20 won't be allowed to disrupt that, especially as the scheduling of the SJC is not part of the WoSFL Fixture Secretary's remit.

 

 

Have the WoSFL formally agreed to the completion of the SJC 19/20?

[glensmad]

Have the WoSFL formally agreed to the completion of the SJC 19/20?

I don't think the WoSFL need to do that, the SJC is not a competition under the WoSFL's remit.

[craigkillie]

3 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

Have the WoSFL formally agreed to the completion of the SJC 19/20?

I'm not sure it's really in their power to agree to it - as long as their competitions have fixture priority I'm not sure why it would matter.

[jimbaxters]

Just now, craigkillie said:

I'm not sure it's really in their power to agree to it - as long as their competitions have fixture priority I'm not sure why it would matter.

But would that have any implications insurance wise if it's not an officially sanctioned WoSFL competition? If clubs are under their aspices and rules surely they must get permission at least?

 

2 minutes ago, glensmad said:

6 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

Have the WoSFL formally agreed to the completion of the SJC 19/20?

I don't think the WoSFL need to do that, the SJC is not a competition under the WoSFL's remit.

As above

[FairWeatherFan]

19 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

Have the WoSFL formally agreed to the completion of the SJC 19/20?

The way the SJC has been framed is no different to the Fife FA's Cup or the EOS Qualifying Cup and Southern Counties Cup in the LL. They're additional competitions and personal club commitments.

They're secondary to the SFA and LL competitions and a personal club commitment. Little different to how clubs can organise friendlies whenever they like, its just this time there's a cup to go with it.

So its the same case of the SJC in the WoSFL. League fixtures, SCC, Scottish Cup and eventually WoSFL Cup(s) will take priority. Which is why people question the continued participation of WoSFL clubs in the SJC. Its one thing squeezing in local cup competitions into free midweeks on occasion. Its another thing trying to compete in a national cup competition that would want Saturday dates in the calendar to work.