hk blues Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, parsforlife said: Surely under joint enterprise‘I was just holding him whilst he got beaten to death’ isn’t going to mean anything? That looks like a gang beating, there is simply no way for the courts to treat this any different I'd be surprised if all 4 involved were equally punished on the basis of that footage alone. There is other footage which, when taken in entirety, may make them all equally 'involved' but if not I'm sure their individual lawyers will be looking at ways to isolate the 2 who who threw the punches from the other 2. If I'm not mistaken, another poster has already said different cops involved have been charged with different crimes. In an ideal world, the 2 throwing punches would be sentenced to a slow painful death and the other 2 a very slightly quicker one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Watched around 30 seconds of the video then stopped, sickening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, hk blues said: What we don't know is what came before and after that particular clip. I have seen what happened at the initial traffic stop and then on to where he was caught. At the traffic stop they throw vile threats of beatings at him, then try to pepper spray him but miss and end up getting themselves with pepper spray. They catch him again, and he is down with 3 guys on top of him, before any punches are thrown he is booted in the head 3-4 times, whilst on the ground. On the body cam you can hear him screaming for his mother. Then he is pulled to his feet for the punching in the clip earlier in the thread. Once he is put against the car, you can hear the police laughing, comparing injuries and generally buzzing about what just happened, suggesting that the laddie is out his face on drugs. Poor guy couldn't string a sentence together, but anyone would be like that after a brutal kicking from 4 huge guys with no way of defending yourself. Utterly horrific. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 59 minutes ago, hk blues said: I'd be surprised if all 4 involved were equally punished on the basis of that footage alone. There is other footage which, when taken in entirety, may make them all equally 'involved' but if not I'm sure their individual lawyers will be looking at ways to isolate the 2 who who threw the punches from the other 2. If I'm not mistaken, another poster has already said different cops involved have been charged with different crimes. In an ideal world, the 2 throwing punches would be sentenced to a slow painful death and the other 2 a very slightly quicker one. The report I read said they had all been charged with the same crimes. The 6th officer should also be sacked, also the EMS who apparently delayed assistance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I'm not sure I'd want to be the one who interrupts a police murder squad in full flow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Someone mentioned the 80s - guy I knew was a burglar. Bit of a druggie (hash mostly), no job and robbed houses to get money. For a while I was crashing at a squat with him and others. He was lifted repeatedly but always seemed to get community service and fines - which he robbed more houses to get the money to pay off. He wasn't a bad guy, he just didn't have a problem with burglary. Great guitarist, he used to play in pubs for a few quid here and there. Taught me a few chords and stuff. Anyway, one night the police had enough. They smashed down the front door of the squat, told the rest of us to f**k off then jammed both of his hands in a door frame and broke all his fingers by slamming the door repeatedly on them. Laughed and said he'd never play guitar again. He went to a lawyer who came back and said the Police story was he got his hands caught in a door by accident as he was resisting arrest. Fiction, I know, but have you seen Yosser's Story, part of an 80's series known as Boys From The Blackstuff? The way the police dealt with him, when they take his kids away from him, shows how things were back then. This is yet another appalling video of the police in the US. The cop is clearly very callous and itching to shoot the guy, who begs for his life first: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 11 hours ago, The Golden God said: Footage is out and it is graphic. Think I’d riot. That's unbelievable. Or maybe it isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Imagine if this was 5 gang members doing this to a police officer, they'd never see the light of day again but no doubt these police officers will get off as they always seem to do. Hopefully they're convinced and get stuck into general population prison which they should last about an hour before being murdered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Give them a fair trial, find them guilty then execute them. It's what would happen if any other black gang killed someone. You don't get executed for killing someone by beating them up, i don't think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 30 minutes ago, Empty It said: Imagine if this was 5 gang members doing this to a police officer, they'd never see the light of day again but no doubt these police officers will get off as they always seem to do. Hopefully they're convinced and get stuck into general population prison which they should last about an hour before being murdered. I am in complete agreement that those officers are thoroughly obnoxious, but do you really want them to be murdered? I will probably get shot down in flames for this, but isn't that the sort of attitude that allows police brutality to flourish? If police officers played by the book, instead of meting out their own form of 'justice' which is accepted by their colleagues, then police brutality wouldn't be such a problem. One of the problems America has, is that brutality is glamourised. Violence begets violence. In an ideal world these men would be jailed, but also made to realise just how brutal and cowardly their actions were. They're nothing but thugs who were wrongly entrusted with a position of power. What's most concerning about this is that they have probably done it many times before, but the victims survived. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Fucking saddening. Poor man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 53 minutes ago, Empty It said: Imagine if this was 5 gang members doing this to a police officer, they'd never see the light of day again but no doubt these police officers will get off as they always seem to do. Hopefully they're convinced and get stuck into general population prison which they should last about an hour before being murdered. These guys won't get off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, G_&_T said: Fiction, I know, but have you seen Yosser's Story, part of an 80's series known as Boys From The Blackstuff? The way the police dealt with him, when they take his kids away from him, shows how things were back then. This is yet another appalling video of the police in the US. The cop is clearly very callous and itching to shoot the guy, who begs for his life first: There's plenty more videos like this from US People who get shot by police because they won't get out of their car Reason won't get out cause paranoid will get shot Happens all the time. The place is fucked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, G_&_T said: Fiction, I know, but have you seen Yosser's Story, part of an 80's series known as Boys From The Blackstuff? The way the police dealt with him, when they take his kids away from him, shows how things were back then. This is yet another appalling video of the police in the US. The cop is clearly very callous and itching to shoot the guy, who begs for his life first: Just read up on that daniel shaver shooting Clear case of murder Verdict, not guilty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Binos said: There's plenty more videos like this from US People who get shot by police because they won't get out of their car Reason won't get out cause paranoid will get shot Happens all the time. The place is fucked That one was particularly disturbing, because the guy was literally in tears and begging the police officer not to shoot him. There was also absolutely no need to make him crawl like that. Why, when he is lying face down with his hands outstretched could they not have cuffed him? The copper was temporarily re-hired so he could get a police pension, it seems: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981 The place is fucked. Arizona is one of the worst - they're considering reinstating the gas chamber as a method of execution. It took the last guy 18 minutes to die in one: Quote The agonizing choking and gagging continued over several minutes. Finally, shrouded in poisonous gas, Walter LaGrand slumped forward. The 37-year-old killer had breathed his last breath. Arizona’s first gas chamber execution in seven years took 18 minutes before the condemned man’s heart flat-lined at 9:30 last night. http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/1999/03/04/147996-lagrand-18-minutes-to-die/ I mean, if they got someone to throttle the condemned to death, or use an axe or a chainsaw on him, it would have been quicker. It's a barbaric society, I'm not sure why we're constantly bombarded with American news and 'culture', personally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Genuinely saddening. Fair play to anyone who can muster the strength to riot after watching that as my reaction is I want to lie down and cry. It's just so unnecessary. Can't wait for the fuckwit racists to put their 2 cents in on this one. Wonder how the defence will spin this one as well. Does that part of US not have the "you're all culpable" law? Can't mind the official name but I know there are places where if you're associated with a murderer in a group, you're all charged with the same crime. Hopefully it applies here. I really really hope the parents haven't watched that video. I don't think I could come back from that if it was my child taking them blows then slowly dying with no one helping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Genuinely saddening. Fair play to anyone who can muster the strength to riot after watching that as my reaction is I want to lie down and cry. It's just so unnecessary. Can't wait for the fuckwit racists to put their 2 cents in on this one. Wonder how the defence will spin this one as well. Does that part of US not have the "you're all culpable" law? Can't mind the official name but I know there are places where if you're associated with a murderer in a group, you're all charged with the same crime. Hopefully it applies here. I really really hope the parents haven't watched that video. I don't think I could come back from that if it was my child taking them blows then slowly dying with no one helping. I haven't seen anyone try to justify it on here or Twitter. As several officers struck him, they would all have to be charged with the same crime, as surely it would be unclear which officer inflicted the terminal blow? What I don't understand, and what is really frightening, is how they expected to justify this level of violence? I mean, they surely didn't intend to lose their jobs. Was it that they got caught up in the moment, and forgot about the consequences, or did they believe that they would be able to claim he was resisting arrest and they were trying to restrain him? Their lawyers will surely try to make the argument they didn't intend to kill him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, G_&_T said: Their lawyers will surely try to make the argument they didn't intend to kill him. The attorney for Mills has urged people to watch the footage, and says it shows that his client is less culpable. All five have been released on bail yesterday, BTW. $350k and $250k were the amounts quoted, so they'll pay 10% of that, or have a bail bondsman do it. I haven't seen anyone try to justify it on here or Twitter. The Blue Lives Matter crew have been copiously silent, presumably because the officers were themselves black. Failed sports analyst Jason Whitlock, who now seems desperate to become the male Candace Owens, was on Tucker Carlson explaining the incident happened because the officers being black meant they were likely raised in single parent households, and that the problem is with black culture. There really isn't a hole deep enough for him to crawl into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 30 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Genuinely saddening. Fair play to anyone who can muster the strength to riot after watching that as my reaction is I want to lie down and cry. It's just so unnecessary. Can't wait for the fuckwit racists to put their 2 cents in on this one. Wonder how the defence will spin this one as well. Does that part of US not have the "you're all culpable" law? Can't mind the official name but I know there are places where if you're associated with a murderer in a group, you're all charged with the same crime. Hopefully it applies here. I really really hope the parents haven't watched that video. I don't think I could come back from that if it was my child taking them blows then slowly dying with no one helping. That only applies to black kids sitting in the back of the car while their big brother robs a shop at knife point, murdering the owner while doing so, then they both get executed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 hours ago, DA Baracus said: I've read about this (not watching a video of a murder) and there's stuff that happens before the video posted on the previous page: If I read that correctly, at least three of these cops managed to pepper spray themselves while attempting to restrain one man. Which means that not only are they a bunch of bullying shitebag murdering c***s, they are also complete fucking morons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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