George Floyd/Black Lives Matter Protests

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Dee Man said:

Have they done research and found that racism is less prevalent in private schools? 

Diane Abbot thought it would be less of a problem, and was worried about the low expectations of teachers and outcomes in the state sector I think. Got a load of stick for putting her son in a private school.

Edited June 10, 2020 by welshbairn

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Minneapolis Police Chief has withdrawn from negotiations with the police union as the first part of transforming the police force.

Many police unions are an obstacle to reform and shield officers from discipline and provide cover for misconduct.

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Minneapolis Police Chief has withdrawn from negotiations with the police union as the first part of transforming the police force.

Many police unions are an obstacle to reform and shield officers from discipline and provide cover for misconduct.

Posted this before but the Union President sounds like a character in a James Ellroy novel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kroll_(police_officer)

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Is desecrating graves of racists allowed on the high ground?

 

[Lambie's Pigeon Feed]

Books and museums are history, statues are not. Taking them down is not erasing history and people peddling this line are showing themselves up. Taking down that statue was an entirely legitimate protest and has led to more...

 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

The statue removals are absolutely fantastic and a great way of making racist gammons shift uncomfortably in their seats. The folk raging about statues being cunted into rivers are the same absolute fucking vermin who have absolutely no problem with migrants and their kids drowning in the Med. 

If creepy fuckers like Wattoo and Jeremiah Cole's latest tragic alias are raging about something, taking the opposite position is very likely going to be the right side of the moral argument. 

[doulikefish]

2 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

The statue removals are absolutely fantastic and a great way of making racist gammons shift uncomfortably in their seats. The folk raging about statues being cunted into rivers are the same absolute fucking vermin who have absolutely no problem with migrants and their kids drowning in the Med. 

If creepy fuckers like Wattoo and Jeremiah Cole's latest tragic alias are raging about something, taking the opposite position is very likely going to be the right side of the moral argument. 

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

56 minutes ago, tongue_tied_danny said:

 Lady Godiva 

Wid.

[NotThePars]

29 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Is desecrating graves of racists allowed on the high ground?

 

Why don't you explain to the people what you think is being argued here

[Dee Man]

49 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I have no idea. Presumably yes they have.

I have no idea myself and was genuinely interested as that seems absolutely shite and wholly unfair having to shell out thousands of pounds in the hope that your child is subjected to less racism than a public school. I'm not sure that going to a school where the families are generally better off than students at mainstream schools means the pupils are going to be more tolerant people with higher values. 

Anecdotally, kids today in general are far less tolerant of all forms of discrimination and bigotry IMO. 

This proves absolutely nothing but this is the first article that came up on ny Google search. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/private-school-racism-black-students-state-exclusions-a9286021.html%3famp

[Gordon EF]

1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

No, the "shitebag route" as you put it, would be to pander to the extremists and remove the statue.

Still, I'm sure the circus will have moved on in a week or two.............

I agree pandering is the shitebag route. But actually listening to people's arguments and being willing to change your mind and admit that you could be wrong takes far more courage than just sticking to your side's party line, whatever that might be.

[Gordon EF]

25 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

The statue removals are absolutely fantastic and a great way of making racist gammons shift uncomfortably in their seats. The folk raging about statues being cunted into rivers are the same absolute fucking vermin who have absolutely no problem with migrants and their kids drowning in the Med. 

 

Also, it looked like a great fucking laugh. Wish I'd been there tbh.

[BukyOHare]

I'm all for people protesting peacefully, no issue whatsoever to bring about changes in attitude to racism, climate change or anything else.

What cannot be condoned is the mob rule of vandalism, attacking the police with bikes or anything else which comes to hand or the toppling of statues and rolling them into the sea. I totally agree the statues have had their day but Its not up to mobs to take the law into their own hands. If this behaviour continues then where do we ultimately draw the line until somebody says enough is enough?

The death of George Floyd has crossed the Atlantic and gone from peaceful protests about changes in attitudes for the better to a much darker and sinister place on a more consistent basis, that cannot be good. Any law abiding citizen has to see that surely? 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

Just now, BukyOHare said:

Any law abiding citizen has to see that surely? 

Law abiding citizens are shitehawks tho'.

[BukyOHare]

1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Law abiding citizens are shitehawks tho'.

Ok. Whatever that means.

[Bairnardo]

I wonder how many of the anti protest squad are the same types that like to say things like "The French really know how to protest, we are all shitebags in this country".

Can tmake an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Big, bronze racist eggs.

[Gordon EF]

5 minutes ago, BukyOHare said:

I'm all for people protesting peacefully, no issue whatsoever to bring about changes in attitude to racism, climate change or anything else.

What cannot be condoned is the mob rule of vandalism, attacking the police with bikes or anything else which comes to hand or the toppling of statues and rolling them into the sea. I totally agree the statues have had their day but Its not up to mobs to take the law into their own hands. If this behaviour continues then where do we ultimately draw the line until somebody says enough is enough?

The death of George Floyd has crossed the Atlantic and gone from peaceful protests about changes in attitudes for the better to a much darker and sinister place on a more consistent basis, that cannot be good. Any law abiding citizen has to see that surely? 

Every single person will accept that there have been examples from history when breaking the law was justified.  This is just a subjective viewpoint dressed up as an objective one.

"I'm all for Mr Schindler's right to argue that we shouldn't kill all the Jews. But surely the correct action is to petition his local member of the Reichstag, not just take the law into his own hands? Any law abiding citizen has to see that."

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Every single person will accept that there have been examples from history when breaking the law was justified.  This is just a subjective viewpoint dressed up as an objective one.

"I'm all for Mr Schindler's right to argue that we shouldn't kill all the Jews. But surely the correct action is to petition his local member of the Reichstag, not just take the law into his own hands? Any law abiding citizen has to see that."

Damned suffragettes, screwing up my each way nap! 

[NotThePars]

36 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I have no idea myself and was genuinely interested as that seems absolutely shite and wholly unfair having to shell out thousands of pounds in the hope that your child is subjected to less racism than a public school. I'm not sure that going to a school where the families are generally better off than students at mainstream schools means the pupils are going to be more tolerant people with higher values. 

Anecdotally, kids today in general are far less tolerant of all forms of discrimination and bigotry IMO. 

This proves absolutely nothing but this is the first article that came up on ny Google search. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/private-school-racism-black-students-state-exclusions-a9286021.html%3famp

 

I suppose one argument is that if you're paying money you have greater ability to demand certain things from the school.  

[AsimButtHitsASix]

17 minutes ago, BukyOHare said:

Ok. Whatever that means.

It means that, as far as I can see it, there have been peaceful protests and appeals to authority for the ruling classes to have a greater understanding (in this instance) of the societal racism that plagues the lives of black people in the world. Not that there aren't institutionalised racist attitudes in place against Asians, Indigenous Peoples and all the way down to Scottish people or Sicilians to differing degrees in different areas. In general, however, we have objective evidence that points to black people being on the shitty end of the stick more than other races and peoples throughout the world.

For five hundred years, half a millennium, the societies and laws that we govern ourselves on have directly attributed to the detriment of black people and it's only in our lifetimes that the final few of these laws have been eradicated. Of those laws how many were abolished with just peaceful protest? Did slavery in the US end with a handshake or civil war? Were Jim Crow laws repealed with pleasant gospel singing or mass protest?

Even if you want to bring it closer to home the Brixton Riots kicked off after years of abuse at the hands of police and it ended with the Scarman report that pointed to institutionalised racism in the Met. Protests and riots do not happen in a vacuum. They are what happens when people have ran out of other options from the Storming of the Bastille to a statue getting slung in the Avon. People have been pointing out these injustices for years and their voices are not heard or dismissed out of hand.

Gary Younge, Darcus Howe, Benjamin Zephaniah and Raymond Antrobus (and hundreds more) been writing books and articles, appearing on telly, petitioning parliament, performing across the country and consistently been models of the decorum and lawfulness that you speak of and have been asking that the UK government takes a look at its imperial past, looks to decolonise the laws and the make up of the country and full embrace and endorse the lives of its black population. None of this information has been heeded. When they have asked, as, for instance, Graham Campbell has, to look at ways to educate people about the basis of where these statues and street names come from. How they could be used as a weapon to teach us. What additions could be made so as to not remind and ridicule black people about their status in the country and how their lived condition is incongruent with their legal one. What changes have we made to accommodate these appeals? f**k all.

All of that was ignored and has been for decades if not centuries. Toppling one statue of one c**t has done more for their cause than their combined output. The folk throwing ropes around metal racists and dragging from their plinths may be standing on the shoulders of the giants who came before them and educated them for the need to take action but they're still the ones taking action and should be applauded.

If yer more worried about law abiding citizens than what is right then you're one of the fannies Martin Luther King wrote about from a Birmingham Prison.

I just thought calling you a shitehawk was a little less TL;DR

Edited June 10, 2020 by AsimButtHitsASix