George Floyd/Black Lives Matter Protests

[Sinner-to-Saint]

[Melanius Mullarkey]

26 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Tear it down, tear them all down.

Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

[Steve_Wilkos]

1 hour ago, throbber said:

I have seen it several time’s before, will probably watch in a couple of hours when my unruly toddler goes for a nap.

You should watch the second one, it's even worse. 

It is supposed to be set in a London prison, but it was clearly filmed in America. To the point that the prison is full of Mexican extras and all prisoners are wearing orange jumpsuits.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Steve_Wilkos

[Fratelli]

I think the view that they have to get a certain demographic of folk onside if they want any change is quite telling imo, and one of the main reasons they are protesting. I think the whole point is that they are fed up of trying to get folk onside who clearly don't want to listen, so they are taking matters into their own hands. Also, why should the BLM movement seek the support of middle Englanders who have neither experienced racism in their lives and who have little to no understanding of it.  

Personally i've learnt more about Scotland's role in the slave trade in the past week or two than i ever learnt in higher history or whatever. I've walked past statues for years without ever really noticing who they were, and i'd imagine a fair few others will be the same.

[Sinner-to-Saint]

2 minutes ago, Fratelli said:

I think the view that they have to get a certain demographic of folk onside if they want any change is quite telling imo, and one of the main reasons they are protesting. I think the whole point is that they are fed up of trying to get folk onside who clearly don't want to listen, so they are taking matters into their own hands. Also, why should the BLM movement seek the support of middle Englanders who have neither experienced racism in their lives and who have little to no understanding of it.  

Personally i've learnt more about Scotland's role in the slave trade in the past week or two than i ever learnt in higher history or whatever. I've walked past statues for years without ever really noticing who they were, and i'd imagine a fair few others will be the same.

What do you think should be changed, exactly?

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

 

 

 

You're correct that the erection of this statue, and many others like it, was entirely undemocratic and didn't represent the will of the people living there. Why do we need public will to get rid of them, but not public will to erect them? It seems as though the public will was there in Bristol anyway, based on the previous discussion about the Colston Hall.

Because we're not living in the 19 century any more.

I've already alluded to your second point.

[AL-FFC]

Interesting thing about the Colston statue is whilst the petition was ongoing for its removal a plaque was put up to let people know more about him but it was edited which obviously missed out about his part in the slave trade.  Funny enough one observation i have noticed about a lot of those statues that were pretty much c**ts they were all Tories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

Edited June 8, 2020 by AL-FFC

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I don't think so, Bob. In recent times, even the proles are looking at what's going on and thinking, "that ain't right". More to the point, the number of people who are seeing the behaviour of our masters and not thinking "that could've been me" is shrinking. Sure slavery, Windrush, even Grenfell seem to affect a certain demographic - but UC, job losses from Brexit, avoidable fatalities from Covid-19 are, for even the dimmest flag-waver, issues that strike a little close to home. And nothing the current Government is doing at the moment is ever going to get someone back onside if their policies killed their granny.

The situation is ripe for a revolution, if not in deed at least in thinking. Top and bottom is that the UK, and even more so the USA have built their prosperity on the backs of people ripped from their homes. exploited and discarded when no longer productive.  The cúnts who did this are the direct predecessors of those in power today, and there simply has to be a better way. Finding a route to that better way is the priority now, and it has to start with education.

As I overheard in conversation at the weekend, and this really resonated with me,

"If you're more concerned with how they're protesting than why they're protesting, then you are part of the problem".

Pish. It's quite possible to be concerned with both.

[Sinner-to-Saint]

I just hope all of those who were complicit in removing, and pretending to be offended by, the statue of a man who died almost 300 years ago, doesn't wear clothes and electronic equipment produced in Third World sweatshops, or at least buys them secondhand from charity shops, like I do. My laptop's from work, btw.

Nothing worse than a virtue signalling hypocrite. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Sinner-to-Saint

[yoda]

You've got to say fair play to people like Michael Stewart (and other "us poor wee oppressed Scotch" types) for having the brass neck to draw an equivalence between slavery and the Clearances.

Casually brushing Scottish involvement in the slave trade under the carpet for #numbers 

Edited June 8, 2020 by yoda

[WhiteRoseKillie]

28 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

Psst...A Nazi was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. 

Thanks for making my point re: your intelligence. Probably best you slope off now, and let the adults talk.

[Jacksgranda]

19 minutes ago, Fratelli said:

I think the view that they have to get a certain demographic of folk onside if they want any change is quite telling imo, and one of the main reasons they are protesting. I think the whole point is that they are fed up of trying to get folk onside who clearly don't want to listen, so they are taking matters into their own hands. Also, why should the BLM movement seek the support of middle Englanders who have neither experienced racism in their lives and who have little to no understanding of it.  

Personally i've learnt more about Scotland's role in the slave trade in the past week or two than i ever learnt in higher history or whatever. I've walked past statues for years without ever really noticing who they were, and i'd imagine a fair few others will be the same.

Me, too. Most of the time I never even looked to see who they were commemorating, and even when I did I was more often than not none the wiser.

[Dan Steele]

29 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

Psst...A Nazi was a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. 

[Shandon Par]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

One of them used to drink in The Vale at Queen St station after a hard day standing still. Really creepy up close. Obviously this is neither here nor there in this debate. I'd rather the job attacked the ones that pretend to play musical instruments but really just play a tape. Especially the "drummer" with the dancing cats.

Dunfermline had a cheery boy who just hit the "demo" button on his keyboard and would just randomly bash away at the keys. 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

21 minutes ago, Fratelli said:

I think the view that they have to get a certain demographic of folk onside if they want any change is quite telling imo, and one of the main reasons they are protesting. I think the whole point is that they are fed up of trying to get folk onside who clearly don't want to listen, so they are taking matters into their own hands. Also, why should the BLM movement seek the support of middle Englanders who have neither experienced racism in their lives and who have little to no understanding of it.  

Personally i've learnt more about Scotland's role in the slave trade in the past week or two than i ever learnt in higher history or whatever. I've walked past statues for years without ever really noticing who they were, and i'd imagine a fair few others will be the same.

Every day, for everybody, should be a school day. I like to think of myself as fairly well read, but it was only about ten years ago that I found out that eparations wer paid to slave owners rather than slaves by the British Government. It had never come up for me before that, but really hit home and joined a few more dots in my view of why we are where we are, and what we have to do to get to a better place.

Never, ever, assume you know it all - and never, ever be afraid to change your mind on the presentation of new evidence. I speak as a former admirer of the State of Israel.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

14 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Interesting thing about the Colston statue is whilst the petition was ongoing for its removal a plaque was put up to let people know more about him but it was edited which obviously missed out about his part in the slave trade.  Funny enough one observation i have noticed about a lot of those statues that were pretty much c**ts they were all Tories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

Until Universal Suffrage, the rules surrounding the Franchise pretty much ensured that all MPs were cúnts, no matter what banner they stood under. You'd never have seen an Abbott or Rayner a hundred years ago - in fact, you'd never have seen a Soubry or a Woolaston.

[ICTChris]

You've got to say fair play to people like Michael Stewart (and other "us poor wee oppressed Scotch" types) for having the brass neck to draw an equivalence between slavery and the Clearances.
Casually brushing Scottish involvement in the slave trade under the carpet for #numbers 

This is one of the worst things about Scottish nationalism, the victimhood mentality and the related airbrushing of the reality of Scotland’s history. It’s absolutely pathetic but all too common.

[Jacksgranda]

Statue of Sean Russell.

Chief of Staff of the IRA

Nazi

Died on a Nazi submarine

Erected in Dublin in 1951

After the Nazis were defeated

[WhiteRoseKillie]

19 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Pish. It's quite possible to be concerned with both.

Of course it is. Hence my use of the word "more" instead of the phrase "instead of".

So, "pish", but you agree with me?

[Jacksgranda]

Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Of course it is. Hence my use of the word "more" instead of the phrase "instead of".

So, "pish", but you agree with me?

Yes, I noticed the "more" afterwards.

Half hearted apology to follow.

"Half pish", then.