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So I see America has gone real racist again.

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I transited in the twin city airport 5 years ago. Could have been me.

In all seriousness, Trump coming out with - “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” probably won’t help matters.

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I was watching CNN this morning, the cops arrested the CNN reporter & his film crew, live on air.

It's like watching a dystopian movie.

 

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One notable thing about the death of George Floyd is that I haven't seen any real attempts to justify what was done to him, which is different to previous cases like this.

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Guns don't kill black people, coppers do. 

Similar to the death of this lad in Kirkcaldy a few years back:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43942266

Do the police just get buzzed on the physical confrontation and not know when to stop? 

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I read an article by a journalist returning to the UK after many years in the USA who said American police are best treated and reacted to like an occupying army which always stuck with me.

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19 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I read an article by a journalist returning to the UK after many years in the USA who said American police are best treated and reacted to like an occupying army which always stuck with me.

Not going to post a link but one of the worst police shooting vids I'd see was one where they raid a hotel room. It's clearly just a few folk quietly chatting but they make one guy get on the floor on the corridor outside, scream at him not to move for 5 minutes, with him pleading for them not to hurt him and that he's 100% going to do all they ask. Eventually they just shoot him to f**k anyway, despite him lying face down on the ground. 

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Not going to post a link but one of the worst police shooting vids I'd see was one where they raid a hotel room. It's clearly just a few folk quietly chatting but they make one guy get on the floor on the corridor outside, scream at him not to move for 5 minutes, with him pleading for them not to hurt him and that he's 100% going to do all they ask. Eventually they just shoot him to f**k anyway, despite him lying face down on the ground. 

Yeah that's one of the most shocking ones. No prosecutions as far as I know.

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24 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

Not going to post a link but one of the worst police shooting vids I'd see was one where they raid a hotel room. It's clearly just a few folk quietly chatting but they make one guy get on the floor on the corridor outside, scream at him not to move for 5 minutes, with him pleading for them not to hurt him and that he's 100% going to do all they ask. Eventually they just shoot him to f**k anyway, despite him lying face down on the ground. 

I know the one you're on about. Fucking harrowing. The guy made up his mind he was shooting straight away.

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1 hour ago, Shandon Par said:

Guns don't kill black people, coppers do. 

Similar to the death of this lad in Kirkcaldy a few years back:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43942266

Do the police just get buzzed on the physical confrontation and not know when to stop? 

I used to have to do restraint as part of my job. Restraints were common occurrences so the training in restraint was extensive and regular. 

It should only be used as a last resort when someone's behaviour poses a threat to themselves or others.

Unfortunately you got assholes who were always buzzing to restrain people, but they never lasted long in the job thankfully.

Some of the main principles of "safe restraint" is to only do it for the minimum length of time required. Usually this is no more than a couple of minutes as even the most agitated people stop struggling and trying to attack in that length of time, and it's okay to release the restraint.

You also do not restrain people on the ground if it can be avoided. You must get them to sit down, allowing them to sit up straight and not forcing them to lean forwards as this can restrict breathing.

One of the main criticisms (within my profession) of both the UK and US police is that they have a tendency to use restraint as a punitive measure, rather than the safeguarding measure that it should be.

I remember the story about the lad who died in police custody. I heard that he was being hunched over in a sitting position, which restricted his breathing and led to his death.

It is very concerning that police officers are either not being trained good restraint techniques or are choosing to ignore them.

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18 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Minnesota Riots is a great name for a sports team.

Or a band.

"Seen them supporting 9 Below Zero in The Blues Tent at Leeds, 1983".

Edited by Sergeant Wilson

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55 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I read an article by a journalist returning to the UK after many years in the USA who said American police are best treated and reacted to like an occupying army which always stuck with me.

This reminds me of a piece on Last Week Tonight during the riots in Ferguson.

 

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Not going to post a link but one of the worst police shooting vids I'd see was one where they raid a hotel room. It's clearly just a few folk quietly chatting but they make one guy get on the floor on the corridor outside, scream at him not to move for 5 minutes, with him pleading for them not to hurt him and that he's 100% going to do all they ask. Eventually they just shoot him to f**k anyway, despite him lying face down on the ground. 

Yeah saw that, it’s absolutely shocking. I think I was drunk when I watched it & cried for that guy.

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34 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Wonder what american cops would do with this guy?
 

Nothing cause he's white.

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2 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

I used to have to do restraint as part of my job. Restraints were common occurrences so the training in restraint was extensive and regular. 

It should only be used as a last resort when someone's behaviour poses a threat to themselves or others.

Unfortunately you got assholes who were always buzzing to restrain people, but they never lasted long in the job thankfully.

Some of the main principles of "safe restraint" is to only do it for the minimum length of time required. Usually this is no more than a couple of minutes as even the most agitated people stop struggling and trying to attack in that length of time, and it's okay to release the restraint.

You also do not restrain people on the ground if it can be avoided. You must get them to sit down, allowing them to sit up straight and not forcing them to lean forwards as this can restrict breathing.

One of the main criticisms (within my profession) of both the UK and US police is that they have a tendency to use restraint as a punitive measure, rather than the safeguarding measure that it should be.

I remember the story about the lad who died in police custody. I heard that he was being hunched over in a sitting position, which restricted his breathing and led to his death.

It is very concerning that police officers are either not being trained good restraint techniques or are choosing to ignore them.

Thanks for the explanation. As a lay person it looks brutal to be choking folk out. There has to be ways for four people to pin down someone else without crushing their windpipe or making them panic and lose consciousness. 

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