afca32 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 If it was a closed shop and only full time teams could compete in the "professional" leagues, what would happen if a club did as Airdrie did in 2016/17, decide to go full time, then go back to part time the next year? Would they be included for a year then punted straight back? Would full time teams such as Stirling Uni 1s and "Caledonian Braves" (10th and 8th in the Lowland League respectively) be included? Would Arbroath really be excluded despite being demonstrably better than around 1/3 of our full time teams, just because they can't afford to go full time? Reminds me of the SPL 10,000 seat stadium rule which is exactly the sort of thing we should be moving away from. I ask these questions rhetorically, because as usual with these sorts of suggestions I doubt the morons spouting them have actually thought them through. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_the_rover Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Correct me if I'm wrong Original Rangers - full time club, couldn't look after their finances, died resulting in job losses at the club and to their creditors New Rangers - full time club, struggling to look after their finances Hearts - full time club, struggling to look after their finances Gretna - full time club, couldn't look after their finances, died resulting in job losses at the club and to their creditors All played in the big boys' league and these are the teams we should try to emulate Dundee been in administration Livingston administration twice Aberdeen lost £5million 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chris_the_rover said: Dundee been in administration twice Livingston administration twice Aberdeen lost £5million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 On 27/05/2020 at 08:16, The Minertaur said: So we should just allow the full time clubs to dictate what happens in Scotland? Colt Clubs in the leagues? Sure! Reconstruction to simply stop Hearts being relegated? You full time guys know best! This has all came from the recent talk about league reconstruction - we obviously shouldn't have a say in it as it's not as if we'll be the ones most affected by it. As much as I agree that Strachan is talking absolute tripe, the League 2 sides were very happy to vote through the last reconstruction as long as it gave them the chance to close the trapdoor for a year - it was a bunch of Premiership sides who blocked it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM. Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Chris_the_rover said: Dundee been in administration Livingston administration twice Aberdeen lost £5million Motherwell too at some point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 53 minutes ago, craigkillie said: As much as I agree that Strachan is talking absolute tripe, the League 2 sides were very happy to vote through the last reconstruction as long as it gave them the chance to close the trapdoor for a year - it was a bunch of Premiership sides who blocked it. Agreed but it's understandable during the financial worries the clubs will be going through just now that the League 2 clubs wanted the guarantee of not going down for a season. I don't agree with it myself but I fully understand why the L2 clubs did what they did. Just like I understand Hearts doing what they are. The biggest issue with reconstruction in Scottish football is that every club is looking out for itself and there's little to no hope of anything ever being voted through. Do we really need reconstruction though right now? We're in an unprecedented time which could last for ages yet and there's no benefit to just rushing stuff through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberdeen Cowden Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 hours ago, The Minertaur said: Agreed but it's understandable during the financial worries the clubs will be going through just now that the League 2 clubs wanted the guarantee of not going down for a season. I don't agree with it myself but I fully understand why the L2 clubs did what they did. Just like I understand Hearts doing what they are. The biggest issue with reconstruction in Scottish football is that every club is looking out for itself and there's little to no hope of anything ever being voted through. Do we really need reconstruction though right now? We're in an unprecedented time which could last for ages yet and there's no benefit to just rushing stuff through. It’s only about Hearts though. How about a top league of ten teams and the other two of 16 teams only playing each other twice. The start of the season will be delayed so this would allow more chance of completing the season. Would Budge go for that? Of course not. It’s ridiculous that she or anyone else from Hearts is so heavily involved. Could only happen in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Does wee Gordy do irony? https://dundeefc.co.uk/team/under-18s/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesser Is More Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I will always champion the smaller clubs we have in the lower leagues. The players have my utmost admiration for the effort they put in. I'm sure many do so in order to supplement their income for the benefit of their families. All the clubs I can think of are well run, and run on sound business structures. They'd have to be otherwise they wouldn't survive. Yes, there definitely should be a place for them in the set up. Also, although obviously not a fan of Dunfermline, Falkirk, Ayr Utd and a few more besides I think a top league of 20 would be good for the game. Too many meaningless games, not enough at stake some would say. Well I disagree. Dunfermline v Falkirk meaningless, Kilmarnock v Ayr, St Mirren v Morton, meaningless? Never. I've been watching the game long enough to know there's quality in all levels of Scottish football, although there's room for improvement, there's definately potential. It's how the leagues are set up that in my opinion is wrong. Two leagues of 20 and summer football for me. Quite a rant there, however these are my views, You'll have yours as well, and like me missing getting out to games. Take care, stay safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) On 26/05/2020 at 13:38, Vandy said: Strachan is right,there should be a distinction between full time professional football and part time clubs. The cash that’s generated through tv etc should be shared amongst the clubs that are giving people full time employment. Part time clubs should be playing regional football and should be there to serve their communities. If clubs want to progress then they have to go full time.If they can’t then they stay where they are. I agree with a lot of that. Strachan gets a hard time because he is outspoken, but some of the stuff he says is very interesting and at least he thinks a bit more outside the box instead of the same pish you here from the clique. His comment about bigger or taller players when Scotland manager let him down though. Edited May 28, 2020 by big al 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 This topic title sounds like a low budget episode of The Twilight Zone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 9 hours ago, big al said: I agree with a lot of that. Strachan gets a hard time because he is outspoken, but some of the stuff he says is very interesting and at least he thinks a bit more outside the box instead of the same pish you here from the clique. It's interesting because it's wild to think that somebody could have such a nonsense opinion. He's a key part of the clique! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 hours ago, gogsy said: What are the 2 clubs you want bumped out the SPFL then? Rangers & Celtic hopefully. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesser Is More Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 9 hours ago, gogsy said: What are the 2 clubs you want bumped out the SPFL then? None really, 20 and 22 then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 If there was ever a better situation that illustrates the old phrase, "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", then reconstruction, at a time when we have absolutely no idea if football in front of fans will even start, is it. Hearts need to suck it up, get on with life in the Championship and exploit that to their benefit. They've been a shambles on the park for years; they have a season to sort that out. They are in the fortunate position of having a very loyal fan base who will support them though it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilly Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 In reference to the thread title I'll go with gogsy, gogsy and gogsy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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