arab_joe Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 59 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: We are not fucked because Ogren hasn't put enough money in, or because we haven't been able to sell players to generate returns. He has and we have. We are fucked because the squad has not been built or coached properly, in common with lots of shit teams. This isn't Ogren's fault, other than in his choice of Sporting Director and his apparent refusal to reconsider that appointment. I wasn't suggesting that Ogren is the reason that we are sat at the bottom of the table - rather that the announcement this week that he is no longer going to be putting money in to fund the running of the club was an entirely predictable end, especially considering how woefully advised he was when he bought the club. There simply was no chance that he was ever going to make a profit from his ownership of Dundee United, and to have bought the club on that premise meant, in my opinion, there was only ever one way it was going to go... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 How’s his golf course outside St Andrews getting on? Another money pit, imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Pull My Strings said: This rather pleased analysis suggests that the situation which we are in today was the inevitable denouement of Ogren's plan. I don't think there's any merit in that suggestion. We are not fucked because Ogren hasn't put enough money in, or because we haven't been able to sell players to generate returns. He has and we have. We are fucked because the squad has not been built or coached properly, in common with lots of shit teams. This isn't Ogren's fault, other than in his choice of Sporting Director and his apparent refusal to reconsider that appointment. Out of curiosity, because I genuinely do not know the finer details of another club's finances, but has Ogren put much money in? On top of the loans that I assume are responsible for this debt that is currently being discussed, I mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Out of curiosity, because I genuinely do not know the finer details of another club's finances, but has Ogren put much money in? On top of the loans that I assume are responsible for this debt that is currently being discussed, I mean. The loans are all directors loans from him Ogren. He's not been borrowing externally (aside from a Covid loan from the government). So, yeah, upwards of £10M from Ogren personally in acquiring the shares and then pumping further cash into the business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: The loans are all directors loans from him Ogren. He's not been borrowing externally (aside from a Covid loan from the government). So, yeah, upwards of £10M from Ogren personally in acquiring the shares and then pumping further cash into the business. That was sort of what I was getting at. Was he pumping further cash in, on top of the loans. Cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Liquidation you say? Dundee United? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 12 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: The 10 and a bit million of directors loans isnt news today its in black and white in the 22/23 accounts. ETA the liquidation comment was not meant to be taken entirely seriously. Is this your first time on the internet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 17 hours ago, mishtergrolsch said: I reckon Ogren is hurling the £13M to prove he's spent enough now. Which, IMO, is his own fucking fault for thinking he'll make money in Scottish Football outside of the two Glasgow arseholes. Or believing Asghar and Friends it could be done. This. Pretty sure we all thought and said it at the time. Scottish clubs are nothing but money pits. More fool those who pile their cash in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Statement klaxon https://twitter.com/dundeeunitedfc/status/1628477470180798464?t=csaayKi3yZqvYxEJH9R2NA&s=19 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Not sure the interviewer said "Obviously" enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Stuttering and mumbling all the way through it, saying he's not going to do anything but urging the United support to buy more tickets. It's not quite car crash stuff, but it's still a major: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 18 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Statement klaxon https://twitter.com/dundeeunitedfc/status/1628477470180798464?t=csaayKi3yZqvYxEJH9R2NA&s=19 Five minutes of saying absolutely nothing. "We've got to pull together and find solutions". That's fine, Mark, what sort of input would you like into those solutions? ... "It would be easy to bury our heads in the sand and hope that it will all just get better but we can't do that". Cool, Mark. What are you doing instead? ... In short, nothing will change but we will fight harder. Whatever that means. A complete lack of substance and frankly insulting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Nothing else to say on the matter, be like booting a half dead sheep lying on the road. All the best, and good luck with the fun times ahead. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I think administration would probably be less depressing than the current situation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomer Brown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 57 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Nothing else to say on the matter, be like booting a half dead sheep lying on the road. All the best, and good luck with the fun times ahead. Thank you. any chance of a len of your bucket and your bairns bankie? Thank You. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 I didnt mind Ogren. Seemed like an alright guy. And i really want to like him. But that interview has pissed me off. The biggest issue is he's being too loyal to Asghar and Fox here and that's going to be what kills any good will he had with fans. The football hasn't improved since promotion. It's gotten worse. We're most likely going to finish bottom (or 11th if we're lucky) unless something changes. I dont care what anyone says, the playing side is the most important thing to a football club. Win games, fans happy, fans spend more money. Players sold. You can scoop it up. Please don't sit there and say "it's easy to bury our head in the sand" then say you're not going to make any changes to any staff while also saying there's no one more disappointed than you. Because there are clearly thousands of fans far more upset than you. You are burying your head in the sand by not acting and making changes, backing a guy who's built this wildly unbalanced team that's rooted to the bottom and picked managers who've failed. Thousands of people are spending cash during a cost of living crisis to travel around the county to watch a goalie that can't kick a ball or fall in the general direction of a football, a defence that can't stop crosses or pass forwards, a midfield that's like a seive etc etc All constructed by two blokes you're backing. If Fox goes, then Tony picks the next guy. He's picked the last f**k knows how many managers who've either been shite, bailed at the first chance or both. Faith in him has gone (I've never had much, if any, in him). We're broadly just fed up at this point and we're looking to you as the boss to change things. Please don't ask us to blindly support and cheer on a team of highly paid professionals that have consistently failed to do the basics of their job. Don't ask us to cheer on a team that were so bad people accused them of downing tools for a manager when fans were paying to watch. Dont ask us to back a manager that clearly has no idea how to change a game. Don't ask us to chuck money at a sinking ship when you aren't anymore. It's insulting. Sorry, a bit of an incoherent ramble folks but while I appreciate him taking time to speak to fans, that's a Mark Birighitti of a video and I'm just fucking done now. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannadeechee Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, mishtergrolsch said: I didnt mind Ogren. Seemed like an alright guy. And i really want to like him. But that interview has pissed me off. The biggest issue is he's being too loyal to Asghar and Fox here and that's going to be what kills any good will he had with fans. The football hasn't improved since promotion. It's gotten worse. We're most likely going to finish bottom (or 11th if we're lucky) unless something changes. I dont care what anyone says, the playing side is the most important thing to a football club. Win games, fans happy, fans spend more money. Players sold. You can scoop it up. Please don't sit there and say "it's easy to bury our head in the sand" then say you're not going to make any changes to any staff while also saying there's no one more disappointed than you. Because there are clearly thousands of fans far more upset than you. You are burying your head in the sand by not acting and making changes, backing a guy who's built this wildly unbalanced team that's rooted to the bottom and picked managers who've failed. Thousands of people are spending cash during a cost of living crisis to travel around the county to watch a goalie that can't kick a ball or fall in the general direction of a football, a defence that can't stop crosses or pass forwards, a midfield that's like a seive etc etc All constructed by two blokes you're backing. If Fox goes, then Tony picks the next guy. He's picked the last f**k knows how many managers who've either been shite, bailed at the first chance or both. Faith in him has gone (I've never had much, if any, in him). We're broadly just fed up at this point and we're looking to you as the boss to change things. Please don't ask us to blindly support and cheer on a team of highly paid professionals that have consistently failed to do the basics of their job. Don't ask us to cheer on a team that were so bad people accused them of downing tools for a manager when fans were paying to watch. Dont ask us to back a manager that clearly has no idea how to change a game. Don't ask us to chuck money at a sinking ship when you aren't anymore. It's insulting. Sorry, a bit of an incoherent ramble folks but while I appreciate him taking time to speak to fans, that's a Mark Birighitti of a video and I'm just fucking done now. Couldn't have said it better myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB-Scotland Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ogren seems like a good bloke, but we're in a situation where the chairman isn't a football man, and so he appears to have child-like faith in Asghar, someone who any other chairman would likely identify as at least a major part of the problem in our recruitment failures, thus nothing will change unless someone from outside the club manages to get through to him and explain how catastrophic it's been on that front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arab_joe Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 22/02/2023 at 00:58, mishtergrolsch said: I reckon Ogren is hurling the £13M to prove he's spent enough now. Which, IMO, is his own fucking fault for thinking he'll make money in Scottish Football outside of the two Glasgow arseholes. Or believing Asghar and Friends it could be done. The manager is useless. I missed this comment yesterday, but this is what I was trying to say - he made the decision to buy a Scottish football club on the wild premise that he was going to make a profit, and that is something he needs to take up with his advisors who, he claims, did such thorough due diligence (not least Mr Asghar who seems to have acted as a finder on the investment) - not with the fans. On the manager situation, this is likely an unpopular opinion but I am actually beginning to sympathise with Liam Fox. He was hired into a role that he clearly was not qualified or ready for (which is evidenced each week when he completely fails to make meaningful substitutions...), but he can hardly be blamed for that - it is down to the Chairman / Mr Asghar. He has then had the squad weakened before his eyes (now becoming clear that Clark and Watt were being taken off the wage bill, whatever the manager might have wanted - I don't believe for one second that Watt was sold because he didn't fit the system), but he can hardly be blamed for that - again that is down to the Chairman / Mr Asghar. 21 hours ago, Pull My Strings said: This rather pleased analysis suggests that the situation which we are in today was the inevitable denouement of Ogren's plan. Greenie for use of "denouement". 18 hours ago, K.T said: How’s his golf course outside St Andrews getting on? Another money pit, imo. I'd completely forgotten about that, but it transpires that Ogren's golf course development is going about as well as Mark Birighitti's career: Ogren walks away from resort construction. 5 hours ago, mishtergrolsch said: I didnt mind Ogren. Seemed like an alright guy. And i really want to like him. But that interview has pissed me off. I don't think that any Arabs I've spoken to dislike Ogren as an individual (the same cannot be said for Asghar...). He speaks well in that interview, as he always does - but the things that he says are becoming less and less believable. Combining the AGM and the interview, he has suggested that (a) he is not going to keep investing; but (b) if/when we are relegated we will bounce back from relegation at the first time of asking. I just don't see those two statements being compatible... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 37 minutes ago, arab_joe said: I missed this comment yesterday, but this is what I was trying to say - he made the decision to buy a Scottish football club on the wild premise that he was going to make a profit, and that is something he needs to take up with his advisors who, he claims, did such thorough due diligence (not least Mr Asghar who seems to have acted as a finder on the investment) - not with the fans. On the manager situation, this is likely an unpopular opinion but I am actually beginning to sympathise with Liam Fox. He was hired into a role that he clearly was not qualified or ready for (which is evidenced each week when he completely fails to make meaningful substitutions...), but he can hardly be blamed for that - it is down to the Chairman / Mr Asghar. He has then had the squad weakened before his eyes (now becoming clear that Clark and Watt were being taken off the wage bill, whatever the manager might have wanted - I don't believe for one second that Watt was sold because he didn't fit the system), but he can hardly be blamed for that - again that is down to the Chairman / Mr Asghar. Greenie for use of "denouement". I'd completely forgotten about that, but it transpires that Ogren's golf course development is going about as well as Mark Birighitti's career: Ogren walks away from resort construction. I don't think that any Arabs I've spoken to dislike Ogren as an individual (the same cannot be said for Asghar...). He speaks well in that interview, as he always does - but the things that he says are becoming less and less believable. Combining the AGM and the interview, he has suggested that (a) he is not going to keep investing; but (b) if/when we are relegated we will bounce back from relegation at the first time of asking. I just don't see those two statements being compatible... Looking at these particular parts, it's clear to see Mark Ogren is absolutely terrible at picking advisors / business partners!. He's probably claiming we'll be fine and will come back up etc because he's watching £13 million crash and burn and its a coping strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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