ArabianKnight Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: That’s how I read it. But is it the dreaded vote of confidence or an actual vote of confidence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldie1980 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Is this a vote of confidence in Tony [emoji50]Hope he's booted out,I think he does your club no favours 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagdagh Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby82 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I’m neither for or agin the man but some of the most vociferous of the #AsgharOut throng are the same people who were very recently singing his praises for some ‘outstanding’ business during the summer. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, captainkev said: Again not even a bland, token "best wishes to Jack Ross for the future" in that statement. The displays on the pitch have been bad enough. Wonder just how ugly things have gotten behind the scenes. Again it doesn’t say he’s been sacked so maybe that’s the reason, it simply says he’s been relieved of his duties as head coach. This is pure speculation but maybe they’ve offered him a settlement that he’s refused and so they’re keeping him on the payroll so he can’t earn elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ArabianKnight said: But is it the dreaded vote of confidence or an actual vote of confidence I see it as Big Ogren backing Tony. Hes gone on record a few times saying he's only here because of Tony and trusts him. As much as I dont like or trust Tony as far as I could throw him i can't see the Ogrens punting him. Where would they go from there? When you look at the managers, none have lasted more than a year working with Tony, they've all bailed out at the first opportunity. Even Tonys alleged pals don't work for him long, just his young lad. Nothing has really worked. Is it Tony they can't work with? Hes the common denominator. For what its worth, I quite like the Ogrens, they seem like they really do want success (outside of making as much cash as possible) but Tony is here for the long run imo. I'd love to see Duncan Ferguson here to belt a pus or two but I don't see him working as a Head Coach with very little influence. Could, and would happily be wrong. Id also like Michael O'Neil or even Neil Lennon if he was interested for whatever strange reason it would need to be. But my top choice would be a Barry Robson / Jon Daly combo. But id stipulate they'd both have to register as players. Jon in the mixer at corners and Barry to launch them in. The first question in the interview process should be "what are your thoughts on defensive midfielders?". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Again it doesn’t say he’s been sacked so maybe that’s the reason, it simply says he’s been relieved of his duties as head coach. This is pure speculation but maybe they’ve offered him a settlement that he’s refused and so they’re keeping him on the payroll so he can’t earn elsewhere. True. Hes maybe part of the grounds staff now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifespud Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Yeah after watching his interview there I wouldnt be surprised at this with Mulgrew on the coaching staff along side junior. Is this not what the problem is meant to be? Mulgrew was to all intents and purposes managing the team when Tam was ‘in charge’? Also he previously decided when and if he trained, managing his own involvement. Ross refused so accept that saying he was ‘just another player’. That prompted the players meeting where Mulgrew and Watt told the rest of the team that, in their vast experience of these matters, JR was ‘fucking clueless’. Also I’m told Ross actually resigned, FT refused to accept it, Ross said it’s me or Watt and Mulgrew, FT got the abacus out and it had to be Ross. Declan Glass getting recalled too I hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby82 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fifespud said: Is this not what the problem is meant to be? Mulgrew was to all intents and purposes managing the team when Tam was ‘in charge’? Also he previously decided when and if he trained, managing his own involvement. Ross refused so accept that saying he was ‘just another player’. That prompted the players meeting where Mulgrew and Watt told the rest of the team that, in their vast experience of these matters, JR was ‘fucking clueless’. Also I’m told Ross actually resigned, FT refused to accept it, Ross said it’s me or Watt and Mulgrew, FT got the abacus out and it had to be Ross. Declan Glass getting recalled too I hear. “I’m told”. Alright Bernstein calm doon. You’ve copied and pasted that from United Mad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifespud Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 “I’m told”. Alright Bernstein calm doon. You’ve copied and pasted that from United Mad. I’ve never been on United mad in my life bro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low-life Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gibby82 said: “I’m told”. Alright Bernstein calm doon. You’ve copied and pasted that from United Mad. Its also pish. Ross 100% did not resign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Your Pies Only Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Jack Ross has never been as good a manger as he clearly thinks he is, and I'm not that surprised he's been found out at Hibs and now Utd, but he's not the only reason Utd are propping up the table. It seemed from the outside that he had less of a say in transfers that you'd expect, and player performances in the games I've seen have been rotten, in a way that you couldn't blame purely on tactics or team shape. Against St Mirren and Celtic, they clearly gave up after the second goals went in and were barely walking to close down Celtic towards the end of that debacle. The manager has to motivate of course, but a bare minimum of professionalism should be expected from players at this level. For Ogren to come out and basically say "the players and executive team are fine, it was all Jack Ross' fault" is laughable. JR is a convenient scapegoat (it's funny too) but I'd be concerned if I was a Utd fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, Fifespud said: Is this not what the problem is meant to be? Mulgrew was to all intents and purposes managing the team when Tam was ‘in charge’? Also he previously decided when and if he trained, managing his own involvement. Ross refused so accept that saying he was ‘just another player’. That prompted the players meeting where Mulgrew and Watt told the rest of the team that, in their vast experience of these matters, JR was ‘fucking clueless’. Also I’m told Ross actually resigned, FT refused to accept it, Ross said it’s me or Watt and Mulgrew, FT got the abacus out and it had to be Ross. Declan Glass getting recalled too I hear. You really are the dimmest Dee on here. Everybody in Dundee has had that whatsapp. "I hear" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Again it doesn’t say he’s been sacked so maybe that’s the reason, it simply says he’s been relieved of his duties as head coach. This is pure speculation but maybe they’ve offered him a settlement that he’s refused and so they’re keeping him on the payroll so he can’t earn elsewhere. How old are you Granny ... when youre told " You are relieved of your duties"...it means... YOURE SACKED!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mvondo_the_great Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Just someone please tell me John Hughes is not available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Just to set the record straight. Duncan Ferguson will not touch any team in Scotland with barge pole. He felt that he was let down big time by the SFA & PFA when he was jailed and turn his back on Scottish football and will never return. Edited August 31, 2022 by SlipperyP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGMilne Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 If those Mulgrew rumours are true, I actually think that's spectacular mismanagement from Jack Ross. You have a player who was one of our better ones last season and is clearly a strong character and a figure of massive influence in the locker room. What is to be gained from coming in and immediately getting on the wrong side of him? Why not work with him? Maybe over time try to reduce that influence and get him round to your way of thinking, but a bull-in-a-china-shop approach was only ever going to go one way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, SGMilne said: If those Mulgrew rumours are true, I actually think that's spectacular mismanagement from Jack Ross. You have a player who was one of our better ones last season and is clearly a strong character and a figure of massive influence in the locker room. What is to be gained from coming in and immediately getting on the wrong side of him? Why not work with him? Maybe over time try to reduce that influence and get him round to your way of thinking, but a bull-in-a-china-shop approach was only ever going to go one way. ^^^Mark Ogren P.S. So Mulgrew should be part of the interview panel for the next appointment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, SGMilne said: If those Mulgrew rumours are true, I actually think that's spectacular mismanagement from Jack Ross. You have a player who was one of our better ones last season and is clearly a strong character and a figure of massive influence in the locker room. What is to be gained from coming in and immediately getting on the wrong side of him? Why not work with him? Maybe over time try to reduce that influence and get him round to your way of thinking, but a bull-in-a-china-shop approach was only ever going to go one way. I don't think that rumour from the large itk post about Jack Ross' resignation being refused has any ring of truth to it in the least. It makes no sense. In this day and age, players will be happy with the manager when they are being selected and things are going well: the away game in the Netherlands gave players the opportunity to turn the blame onto the manager to deflect from their own inadequacies. It's never the fault of the playing staff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUFC_ Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On Duncan Ferguson never returning to Scotland - It was 18 years ago. He was jailed because it was the his fourth(?) conviction for assault, can he complain? not rly. Does he dwell on it? probably not. He has Ancelotti's digits. Im in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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