Jock Tamson Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Remember what he did last time we were after him? He'll either be using the speculation to get a better deal or hell be laughing his head off at us on the highway to retirement. Hes not said anything to the press because he dosent need to. Being honest hes not the right guy for us tbh. Not with the setup we have.I think he'd do a job, but I wouldn't hang about for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Jock Tamson said: 3 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: Remember what he did last time we were after him? He'll either be using the speculation to get a better deal or hell be laughing his head off at us on the highway to retirement. Hes not said anything to the press because he dosent need to. Being honest hes not the right guy for us tbh. Not with the setup we have. I think he'd do a job, but I wouldn't hang about for him. I'd guarantee he wouldn't work under a sporting director. I think that's part of the reason he left the Fermers but I'm sure theyll correct me if I'm wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Tamson Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I'd guarantee he wouldn't work under a sporting director. I think that's part of the reason he left the Fermers but I'm sure theyll correct me if I'm wrong.You'd guarantee? You're wasted in here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jock Tamson said: 11 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: I'd guarantee he wouldn't work under a sporting director. I think that's part of the reason he left the Fermers but I'm sure theyll correct me if I'm wrong. You'd guarantee? You're wasted in here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: I'd guarantee he wouldn't work under a sporting director. I think that's part of the reason he left the Fermers but I'm sure theyll correct me if I'm wrong. That's been 25 minutes now. Is there an issue with the website? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: I'd guarantee he wouldn't work under a sporting director. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: That's been 25 minutes now. Is there an issue with the website? Shhh. Its reverse psychology. If it works he'll be a great manager, if it dosent work then I'm right. Which is the most important bit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arab_joe Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 14 hours ago, ArabianKnight said: I cba going into all the details I know but aye what they've dropped so far into the club is pocket change for them in terms of overall investment. That's fair enough - I thought you were being deliberately vague for comedy effect... 11 hours ago, ArabFC said: I was under the impression the Ogrens wealth was only on the scale of circa £10m or so. Here's hoping that's not the case - according to Steven Pressley's calculator his family will be broke in a year or two. 11 hours ago, ArabianKnight said: The sale of the oil company and its retail stores was $200 million plus. Now we're talking - that's a serious amount of money. I still hate the idea that we are entirely dependent on one person - and that person did not have any link to the club until the day he bought it - but reassuring to know the levels of wealth that his family has. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 24/06/2020 at 00:24, MacArab said: He is a decent prospect IMO. He has had a few off field antics to answer for, and is decent enough as a modern day attacking full back, albeit has rarely been tested against top flight opposition. I think he has dramatically improved defensively and also from an attitude and maturity perspective, over the last year or so, and has increased his work rate and effort, to the extent that i’d be happy if he stayed at Tannadice for the coming season as an option for Left Back, but ideally as competition, as opposed to the main option. Hope this answers your question. £3m and he’s your’s though. Was Robson the boy with the venoms whilst driving? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sortmeout said: Was Robson the boy with the venoms whilst driving? Venom. Singular. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pull My Strings said: Venom. Singular. That’s ok then I thought I was going to be required to be morally outraged at my club. Edited June 25, 2020 by Sortmeout 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 20 hours ago, ArabianKnight said: The sale of the oil company and its retail stores was $200 million plus. Ogren had several lucrative contracts and a whole load of smaller ones for supply deals etc. There was over 10 retail shops sold to a different company from the one that bought the oil supply but dunno if that's including in the figure. Obviously he's got other investments too, I'm sure he still owns a big mall in Florida? Where is that figure coming from? Just from the snippets of articles I can find in the US, I don't get the impression that the business was nearly that lucrative, the sites with any sort of account data from that period seem to come back with revenues that are relatively low and any press reports on the sale of his stations suggested a cash transaction of something in the low millions. If he's taken in money into the hundreds of million for his contracts, he must have been trading in an astronomically massive amount of money to handle that risk, the business these contracts were listed as being sold to just appear to be a small affair and list row revenues. His current software venture looks to me to be a small distributor with a few employees. If there's something which takes him up a scale to what is being suggested, it's all got to be hidden in property. I've always been curious as I've always tried to track Keyes and it looks particularly difficult to get a real sense of wealth in the US. Much harder without companies house! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Ogren has always struck me as someone who's wealthy in assets, but not in terms of actual cash. His apparently "star" gas station sold for just under $6m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, harry94 said: Where is that figure coming from? Just from the snippets of articles I can find in the US, I don't get the impression that the business was nearly that lucrative, the sites with any sort of account data from that period seem to come back with revenues that are relatively low and any press reports on the sale of his stations suggested a cash transaction of something in the low millions. If he's taken in money into the hundreds of million for his contracts, he must have been trading in an astronomically massive amount of money to handle that risk, the business these contracts were listed as being sold to just appear to be a small affair and list row revenues. His current software venture looks to me to be a small distributor with a few employees. If there's something which takes him up a scale to what is being suggested, it's all got to be hidden in property. I've always been curious as I've always tried to track Keyes and it looks particularly difficult to get a real sense of wealth in the US. Much harder without companies house! 32 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Ogren has always struck me as someone who's wealthy in assets, but not in terms of actual cash. His apparently "star" gas station sold for just under $6m. 17 shops of around 3-6m each which account for what anywhere near 100m on their own which was the retail side of the business then you have 100m-ish for the other side of the business. @harry94 I'm sure it was on a bloomberg or business insider report I seen these figures plus a conversation with someone that works at United gave me the rest of the info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 43 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: 17 shops of around 3-6m each which account for what anywhere near 100m on their own which was the retail side of the business then you have 100m-ish for the other side of the business. @harry94 I'm sure it was on a bloomberg or business insider report I seen these figures plus a conversation with someone that works at United gave me the rest of the info. No where it states anything like that. A quick google search clearly states they were sold to 2 different companies for an undisclosed figure, he employed 120 people in total. Mr Ogren doesn’t appear to be the easiest of men to gather information on. Who would’ve thought that between the shell, jet and Morrison’s garage on the Forfar road that they’d be worth anything up to £15m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, ArabianKnight said: 17 shops of around 3-6m each which account for what anywhere near 100m on their own which was the retail side of the business then you have 100m-ish for the other side of the business. @harry94 I'm sure it was on a bloomberg or business insider report I seen these figures plus a conversation with someone that works at United gave me the rest of the info. Now you've done it, you've summoned the Derry Accountants. #PrayForArabianKnight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 minute ago, mishtergrolsch said: Now you've done it, you've summoned the Derry Accountants. #PrayForArabianKnight I know, imagine thinking the petrol station with the wee dingy shop is worth between 3 & 6 million dollars each -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Yenitit said: I know, imagine thinking the petrol station with the wee dingy shop is worth between 3 & 6 million dollars each https://finance-commerce.com/2018/09/just-sold-ogren-selling-croix-oil-business-13-stations/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: https://finance-commerce.com/2018/09/just-sold-ogren-selling-croix-oil-business-13-stations/ http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Croix-Oil-Company-651-439-5755 https://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/gas-petrol-service-stations-for-sale-in-usa https://www.rightbiz.co.uk/petrol-stations-for-sale-in-uk.html?adwords=1&radius=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqOfhk8qd6gIVB7TtCh3JQQxaEAAYASAAEgL2I_D_BwE Edited June 25, 2020 by Yenitit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdyteejay Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Mr Ogren sold his business, Croix Oil, at the end of September 2018. The second-generation company, which was started by Ogren’s parents in 1964, sold its 13 convenience stores, including the SuperAmerica gas station in Oak Park Heights, to Woodbury-based Northern Tier Retail, a subsidiary of Andeavor. D & M Oil headquartered in Dubuque, Iowa, is a subsidiary of Molo Petroleum, has purchased the business. In addition to its SuperAmerica convenience stores, Croix Oil also owned 10 Circle K stores. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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