Talbot supporter Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Why didn’t they ask the east for a participant as well Well i would ask the same question ? What was the reasons for the east. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classof2010 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Can somebody translate the bold part, hoping we haven't another Scott Robertson here.It’s a peter lawell jibe by a rangers supporter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Talbot supporter said: 10 minutes ago, classof2010 said: We didn’t have a winner it was being declared null and void until the talbot member in the committee intervened the west committee should have just said we don’t have a winner so we don’t have a particepent the same as the east It was getting declared null and void yes but even with that the SFA still wanted a participant in the cup and they were still going to use best performing in the league Neither of the two Daily Record articles say the SFA wanted a participant in the cup. According to Colin Chisholm's email, the SFA said that if it was null & void there would be "no suitable nomination" (quite correct, as the Scottish Cup rules say the West Junior championship "winners" are eligible). So it's clear that the only way to nominate a club for the Scottish Cup would be to avoid null & void and use another method. Helpfully, the Auchinleck Talbot commercial direct suggests PPG presumably knowing which club would come out on top... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 minute ago, classof2010 said: It’s a peter lawell jibe by a rangers supporter Wonder what team the grunting racist redneck supports. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Talbot supporter said: 15 minutes ago, classof2010 said: We didn’t have a winner it was being declared null and void until the talbot member in the committee intervened the west committee should have just said we don’t have a winner so we don’t have a particepent the same as the east It was getting declared null and void yes but even with that the SFA still wanted a participant in the cup and they were still going to use best performing in the league They never asked for a participant going by that. Talbot asked TJ to ask the SJFA about the West Premiership Champion qualifying spot to the Scottish Cup. The SFA responding saying if a champion was declared they would qualify. It was the West Region that thought they could null and void, then still nominate a qualifier. Which wasn't good enough for the SFA, which is why the East Region won't have an entrant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classof2010 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 They never asked for a participant going by that. Talbot asked TJ to ask the SJFA about the West Premiership Champion qualifying spot to the Scottish Cup. The SFA responding saying if a champion was declared they would qualify. It was the West Region that thought they could null and void, then still nominate a qualifier. Which wasn't good enough for the SFA, which is why the East Region won't have an entrant.The internet must be down in talbotland cos where’s the usual pie and Bovril suspects 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, classof2010 said: The internet must be down in talbotland cos where’s the usual pie and Bovril suspects Rednecks are out cutting down 5G masts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawrash1 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Surely the sensible thing to do would be to declare the league null and void and don’t have any entrants in the senior Scottish cup. But by the looks of things mr Chisholm has had a big influence in the decision to make talbot the league winners and get them entry in the Scottish cup next season. Decision should be reversed and no west junior team should be in the Scottish cup next season imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, classof2010 said: Where are all the talbot fans they usually take over but they know it’s wrong so no comments It is a really sad night for true Talbot supporters. If Talbot don't take immediate action to sort out any Talbot people who may have some association with this debacle then the club will never be allowed to forget this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Ginaro said: The Scottish Cup rules say the winners of each Junior Championship are eligible, not that a club must be put forward. Obviously the honourable thing to do would be for the SJFA to write to the SFA and say that they have no eligible clubs to take part in the Scottish Cup. I'm guessing the from line has been truncated and the full title is "Interim General Secretary of the SJFA West Region" Just for the record. The Interim General Secretary of the SJFA West Region is who??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, classof2010 said: Why didn’t they ask the east for a participant as well Because those clubs left in the ERJFA (and the whole of the NRJFA) don't count in the eyes of certain individuals. They've been shafted again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRUTHERS Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Just for the record. The Interim General Secretary of the SJFA West Region is who???John Fyfe Assistant Secretary & Interim General Secretary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Burnieman said: This suggests Chisholm was in some form of contact with Petrie "Mr Chisholm claimed SFA chief executive Rod Petrie would be less inclined to accept a nomination based on anything other than final league standings." So on a different subject matter, Petrie didn't object to Conferences at tier 6 and then changed his mind which caught the LL off guard and saw a lot of sh*t chucked in their direction. Join the dots. It seems as though there may have been some mysterious decision-making associated with football authorities in one form or another. Maybe not such a mystery any longer? In the non-league scene it's easy to gain the perception that the SJFA or one or more individuals associated with it and or its' Regions seem to have a surprisingly great influence on their apparent superiors at the SFA. How is that possible? They are not part of the Pyramid and never wanted to be. Or is it that they "know something" or have some sort of behind the scenes "Hold" on football? Is there some behind the scenes activity or involvement and or co-operation with one or more other elements in Scottish football which may have lead to what, some may possibly consider, under non-football settings, as chicanery (at best)? Pure speculation, of course! Given the dire performance of the National side over too many decades you have to wonder what exactly is wrong at the heart of football here. Everyone knows that the national side has under-performed and this is a huge problem. However, once a problem has been spotted it is necessary to identify the cause of the problem as soon as possible - before even more damage is caused and it becomes even harder to turn around a ship which seems determined to head for the rocks! Yet nothing happens. There are issues flagged up by tonights' newspaper revelations which affect the non-league game. This follows a similar mess at the SPFL (although some may consider that the SPFL is not in a mess - work that one out!). There is something which links the two. What or who is it? Will there be further newspaper revelations soon? Will heads roll in an attempt to avoid further damage to already tarnished reputations? Pure speculation, of course. Edited May 17, 2020 by Dev . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pennel Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Nobody going to say that in all probability Talbot would have won the league if the season had been played out anyway ? Nobody going to suggest that Talbot (given their previous record) would have had a fair shout at the other Scottish Cup place if the season had been played out anyway ? I also have to point out...I'm not a Talbot supporter. Some of the folk whining above are just deluded if they believe that Talbot would not have qualified for the Scottish Cup through either of the two available routes. This is not a "u-turn by the region, this seems to just be someone asking for a re-think (which still had to be approved) having considered the ramifications of the region not presenting a team for the Scottish Cup so that the place would then be lost. I do think that the East Region maybe erred in not coming up with some sort of solution to allow them to do the same even if it just came down to tossing a coin for it. The West Region does not have to blindly follow the methods decided in the East either now or in the future. This smacks of the Daily Record wanting to sell more copies. I wonder what the big exclusive will be next week ?... Maybe they'll tell us we should maybe be more worried about motives of the person who leaked (or possibly sold) the e-mail to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Black Pennel said: Nobody going to say that in all probability Talbot would have won the league if the season had been played out anyway ? Nobody going to suggest that Talbot (given their previous record) would have had a fair shout at the other Scottish Cup place if the season had been played out anyway ? I also have to point out...I'm not a Talbot supporter. Some of the folk whining above are just deluded if they believe that Talbot would not have qualified for the Scottish Cup through either of the two available routes. This is not a "u-turn by the region, this seems to just be someone asking for a re-think (which still had to be approved) having considered the ramifications of the region not presenting a team for the Scottish Cup so that the place would then be lost. I do think that the East Region maybe erred in not coming up with some sort of solution to allow them to do the same even if it just came down to tossing a coin for it. The West Region does not have to blindly follow the methods decided in the East either now or in the future. This smacks of the Daily Record wanting to sell more copies. I wonder what the big exclusive will be next week ?... Maybe they'll tell us we should maybe be more worried about motives of the person who leaked (or possibly sold) the e-mail to them. Probability means nothing. Had it been Rossvale with games in hand would you be saying in all probability they would win the league ? Talbot stand to gain many thousands playing in Scottish Chisholm knew his club stood to gain in a points per game scenario would he have been so keen to find a participant had it been Cumnock that stood to gain ? Do you really believe the Record wi sell more copies on the back of this ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Black Pennel said: Some of the folk whining above are just deluded if they believe that Talbot would not have qualified for the Scottish Cup through either of the two available routes. This is not a "u-turn by the region, this seems to just be someone asking for a re-think (which still had to be approved) having considered the ramifications of the region not presenting a team for the Scottish Cup so that the place would then be lost. Probably because its not just about Talbot. The Committee looks at ALL of the leagues comes to the decision to null and void. Anybody want to tell me definitively who's going to win League One over a 30 game season? Common thinking was that the Championship was Darvel's for the taking, but any version of PPG favoured Blantyre. Then you had Johnstone win, having played only half their games. Probably why they null & voided like the other regions. To many ifs and buts across all the leagues. Then to benefit one club out of sixty three it was decided to declare champions for a Scottish Cup spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, classof2010 said: There should be no places as the junior leagues no longer exist then it be easy just to say leagues weren’t finished so we won’t be taking up the place Some still do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, classof2010 said: It’s a peter lawell jibe by a rangers supporter Thought that - wondered what it had to do with the WoSL. I suppose his tentacles reach everywhere... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Nobody going to say that in all probability Talbot would have won the league if the season had been played out anyway ? Nobody going to suggest that Talbot (given their previous record) would have had a fair shout at the other Scottish Cup place if the season had been played out anyway ? I also have to point out...I'm not a Talbot supporter. Some of the folk whining above are just deluded if they believe that Talbot would not have qualified for the Scottish Cup through either of the two available routes. This is not a "u-turn by the region, this seems to just be someone asking for a re-think (which still had to be approved) having considered the ramifications of the region not presenting a team for the Scottish Cup so that the place would then be lost. I do think that the East Region maybe erred in not coming up with some sort of solution to allow them to do the same even if it just came down to tossing a coin for it. The West Region does not have to blindly follow the methods decided in the East either now or in the future. This smacks of the Daily Record wanting to sell more copies. I wonder what the big exclusive will be next week ?... Maybe they'll tell us we should maybe be more worried about motives of the person who leaked (or possibly sold) the e-mail to them.Your last paragraph is the significant one. Who exactly did leak these emails ? They were only sent to the West Region SJFA management team, so is it safe to assume that it has to be one of them ? Nobody else should have had access to them.We can disregard the ridiculous traffordab's suggestion on the juniors P&B forum that Kilwinning are behind this, as they don't have anyone on the West Region SJFA management team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, glensmad said: Who exactly did leak these emails ? They were only sent to the West Region SJFA management team, so is it safe to assume that it has to be one of them ? Nobody else should have had access to them. Looking at them they also went to the SJFA. *puts on conspiracy hat* It was the SJFA, or someone within it with ties to the East Region, that were jealous the West Region were getting a Scottish Cup berth despite not being juniors anymore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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