Statement thread

[rainbowrising]

Most sensible fans can see the current system does not work ( or in certain circumstances works for the few). 
However, due to short-sightedness by various Boards in various clubs over the years we now find ourselves boxed in.
The fact that the two most powerful clubs have found themselves in a position of being able to vote together to block anything that restricts or loosens their power is as much down to the deals done and voting by other clubs across the leagues through the past 40 years.
Unless one of them genuinely sees that this is not a good structure and does not bode well for the future of football in this country and decides that a more democratic and arms length approach to governance and administration is worth losing some power and money then we are stuck. There are a number of reasons why neither of them will do this;
1. Who gives up power and money for the good of any competitor?
2. Both of them still think they can compete in Europe when most realise it is very, very unlikely anyone from Scotland will ever win a European trophy again. The  similar closed shop  and gathering of power and money across a small number of European teams has put paid to competition.
3. Rangers and Celtic spend a lot of their time measuring themselves against each other. They feed off it and will always favour a situation where enticing people from towns all over Scotland to buy their seats, kit etc. helps to keep the rest at bay and allows them to focus on the other side of Glasgow.
4. They don't even want to be here, an invitation to perform in England or in a Euro league is probably a preference, but whilst they are they will wield as much power and influence as they can muster.
5. As I say other clubs do not avoid being guilty. Once in the top league they all get the greedy virus thinking they will always be there.
IMHO an SPFL Board and administration should be independent of all clubs in order to try and run the game for all. I am not sure if that would work, but as the clubs will not vote to release power and influence then we will never find out.

2.. The CL isnt about winning it's about money. Celtic fans dont think they can win the CL but a decent run - especially getting out of a section - is at least £20m+ in the bank. Most European teams think that way.

Independent board - people currently treat it as an independent Board. They target Doncaster as if he sits alone in a room making these decision. Of course the reality is that clubs are in that room agreeing proposals and decisions. The real issue (for me) is that these incidents show up how little clubs as a whole bother their arse with the SPFL until something like this blows up.

[Sparticus]

5 minutes ago, arabdelic said:

The Dundee vote that was explained. The shit storm that followed was created by the clubs wanting a investigation. It was the clubs decision to reject reconstruction  I am not sure why this is being conflated with the other. 

Me neither.Looks like some relegated club has got to them.

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

5 minutes ago, rainbowrising said:

2.. The CL isnt about winning it's about money. Celtic fans dont think they can win the CL but a decent run - especially getting out of a section - is at least £20m+ in the bank. Most European teams think that way.

Independent board - people currently treat it as an independent Board. They target Doncaster as if he sits alone in a room making these decision. Of course the reality is that clubs are in that room agreeing proposals and decisions. The real issue (for me) is that these incidents show up how little clubs as a whole bother their arse with the SPFL until something like this blows up.

I think we are agreeing it is about power and influence which leads to money which leads to power and influence. A trophy is icing on the cake.

[DA Baracus]

Some Falkirk fans have absolutely lost it on their thread. 

Mad conspiracies, talks of boycotts, hoping clubs die and outright fantasy feature, all while those same folk believe that Falkirk are some sort of moral arbiters and only those who voted the same way as they did, on all recent votes, are good guys who care about the game whilst thinking that every other club are horrendous self serving scum.

They actually believe their club is not acting in self interest 

Not all Falkirk fans, just the few mentalists who have been sobbing for weeks.

[Mr Tourette]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646285

Tom is still digging that hole

[accies1874]

It's really funny seeing the ONLY fans who care about what's MORALLY RIGHT also being the only ones who are wanting several clubs go out of business.

Because morals.

[vikingTON]

When you've lost the argument, fall back on 'but... Barry Hearn said!' from 2014. 

[Sparticus]

13 minutes ago, Mr Tourette said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646285

Tom is still digging that hole

Well Tom.Losers will lose.

[Johnstoun]

The only ones who care about what's MORALLY RIGHT are also excusively fans of clubs who are, unfortunately, most negatively affected by the covid crisis. Except for the Rangers, who are negatively affected by kafflicks.

[Alan Stubbs]

41 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Some Falkirk fans have absolutely lost it on their thread. 

Mad conspiracies, talks of boycotts, hoping clubs die and outright fantasy feature, all while those same folk believe that Falkirk are some sort of moral arbiters and only those who voted the same way as they did, on all recent votes, are good guys who care about the game whilst thinking that every other club are horrendous self serving scum.

They actually believe their club is not acting in self interest 

Not all Falkirk fans, just the few mentalists who have been sobbing for weeks.

Peter Lawwell's emergence as a George Soros style shadowy overload in the eyes of normal fans is something else. That type of chat is obviously nothing new when it comes to Rangers fans who canny take Celtic pumping them all the time. Didn't take long for others to fall in line with Rangers zoomers. 

[Sparticus]

54 minutes ago, Mr Tourette said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646285

Tom is still digging that hole

13 clubs? Who?

Rangers

Hearts Stranraer Partick ICT Falkirk Edinburgh city using it for self interest?

Leaving 6

Livingston seem to be a bit too much on the "relegation is unfair" stance that it doesnt sit right.

Maybe it's the location between tynecastle and Falkirk?

Leaving 5

Aberdeen and Stenhousemuir have kind of came out saying they're not supporting Rangers and their accusations, they want them disproved properly and thats maybe what the other 3 clubs have voted with them feel?

At the end of the day it really does look like something they can sort out between themselves properly given time and a few meetings.

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Sparticus
maffs

[DA Baracus]

5 minutes ago, Alan Stubbs said:

Peter Lawwell's emergence as a George Soros style shadowy overload in the eyes of normal fans is something else. That type of chat is obviously nothing new when it comes to Rangers fans who canny take Celtic pumping them all the time. Didn't take long for others to fall in line with Rangers zoomers. 

It's mental how suddenly Sevco have gained so much credibility with such zoomers, despite the insanely overwhelming mounds of evidence that show they (Sevco) are liars, bullies, cowards and idiots on a regular basis.

[Ivo den Bieman]

3 hours ago, Sparticus said:

Another day, another statement.

https://livingstonfc.co.uk/spfl-egm-club-update/

Taking a tedious rap lecture from “Livingston”, of all people, on fairness, probity, and proper governance, is like being scolded by Enoch Powell for being a bit too right -wing.

[LIVIFOREVER]

1 hour ago, Sparticus said:

Me neither.Looks like some relegated club has got to them.

Yeah Ward can't possibly have his own reasons for wanting the inquiry, must be that Hearts got to him. Or maybe he's secretly a ***, nah can't be that, Livi are a bunch of f*n!@n cock suckers.

[Sparticus]

1 minute ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Yeah Ward can't possibly have his own reasons for wanting the inquiry, must be that Hearts got to him. Or maybe he's secretly a ***, nah can't be that, Livi are a bunch of f*n!@n cock suckers.

Oh well, we might have found the answer.

[LIVIFOREVER]

7 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

Taking a tedious rap lecture from “Livingston”, of all people, on fairness, probity, and proper governance, is like being scolded by Enoch Powell for being a bit too right -wing.

You do realize that Ward and the current board have done an incredible job turning Livi's fortunes around, and are nothing to do with past zoomers who were in charge during our basket case years. Nah, forget it, his rep shouldn't be judged on what he's done at Livi in his time there, it should be on what went on when he wasn't there, right, got ya.

[Ivo den Bieman]

Is a convicted drug dealer who was the subject of an assets forfeiture as recently as 2018 still involved at first team level?

[LIVIFOREVER]

5 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said:

Is a convicted drug dealer who was the subject of an assets forfeiture as recently as 2018 still involved at first team level?

Dunno you tell me, are you still harbouring old hatreds of Livi?

[Ludo*1]

Today has been shite. A backtracking statement from Livingston aside, it's half 1 and this thread has had a debate about the word 'effectively'.

Shite state of affairs. 

[Ivo den Bieman]

3 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Dunno you tell me, are you still harbouring old hatreds of Livi?

It’s just another take on the all- new wholesome family club image you’re attempting to peddle here, unsuccessfully.