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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

They apparently are. I'm just not sure why they would be used as an example of a club promotion locked.

The guidance says it's only grass parks with groundsharing that would be ineligible. The ground that St Peter's are using is marked as an astro with floodlights on NonLeagueScotland.

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St Peter’s didn’t apply to the league with Renfrew park as their hone ground, they don’t have a full time ground share agreement, only a temporary one.

there hone ground, the one in the application is a field out the back of Paisley, so they can’t be promoted until they their home ground passes the criteria 

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7 hours ago, Dev said:

Not certain about this but don't St Peters have plans or are working on getting their own WoS compliant  ground?

How does any league decide if a club is inside or outside their (the clubs') local area? Does the WoS have written rules and criteria for this or is it AD HOC ? Serious question.

In the only Case we’ve dealt with Kilbride Thistle wanted to play in Kilwinning, that’s clearly not in West Kilbride, Ardrossan/Largs might have looked differently.

they also wanted to play in a school Astro that don’t meet the “looks like a football ground” part of the criteria

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Can only hope that the majority of 3g cages don't pass the criteria then, no facilities for supporters etc. Didn't realise that the 'promotion locked ' situation existed,glad that some common sense maybe applied. Be interesting how many clubs can turn basic fields/pitches into something worthwhile then.

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1 hour ago, parkcircus said:

In the only Case we’ve dealt with Kilbride Thistle wanted to play in Kilwinning, that’s clearly not in West Kilbride, Ardrossan/Largs might have looked differently.

they also wanted to play in a school Astro that don’t meet the “looks like a football ground” part of the criteria

Thanks. Thinking that this will be difficult to decide in some potential cases.

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24 minutes ago, parkcircus said:

St Peter’s didn’t apply to the league with Renfrew park as their hone ground, they don’t have a full time ground share agreement, only a temporary one.

there hone ground, the one in the application is a field out the back of Paisley, so they can’t be promoted until they their home ground passes the criteria 

When you say can't be promoted - do you mean they can't become a WOS member and escape from Division Four (assuming there's even enough clubs for that to exist next season) or they can't get promoted out of the Third Division next season if they are accepted as a WOS member?

17 minutes ago, parkcircus said:

SFA email

Good news for anyone wanting to get into the Scottish Cup next season. The question is whether the LL will allow a waiver on their 31st March licensing deadline for the play-off, if Pollok don't have their floodlights sorted by then.

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On 30/01/2022 at 08:54, Andy groundhopper said:

Absolutely no problem with temporary ground sharing IF plans for their own ground are in place, with a time limit. Question : could a club go from (ex) junior all the way through the spfl - ground sharing all the way ? Again it's spending on wages rather than a ground. Can fully understand if league's aren't totally happy.


They aren't playing at a ground for free - there will be substantial rental costs involved. I'm still not understanding why we are requiring clubs to build new grounds when there are perfectly good ones nearby that they can use. There are plenty of towns around Scotland (and I live in one of them), where you've basically got no chance of ever getting planning permission to build a football ground, and I suspect this is an issue someone like St Cadocs might face despite being a clear and established boys club in the area.

It feels like this rule is designed to keep a closed shop in place.

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1 hour ago, Ginaro said:

When you say can't be promoted - do you mean they can't become a WOS member and escape from Division Four (assuming there's even enough clubs for that to exist next season) or they can't get promoted out of the Third Division next season if they are accepted as a WOS member?

Good news for anyone wanting to get into the Scottish Cup next season. The question is whether the LL will allow a waiver on their 31st March licensing deadline for the play-off, if Pollok don't have their floodlights sorted by then.

They LL have done it before, I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

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36 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


They aren't playing at a ground for free - there will be substantial rental costs involved. I'm still not understanding why we are requiring clubs to build new grounds when there are perfectly good ones nearby that they can use. There are plenty of towns around Scotland (and I live in one of them), where you've basically got no chance of ever getting planning permission to build a football ground, and I suspect this is an issue someone like St Cadocs might face despite being a clear and established boys club in the area.

It feels like this rule is designed to keep a closed shop in place.

The league accepts full joint ground ownership on an Astro with lights ie Clydebank/Yoker   Petershill/Rossvale

 

 

 

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On 25/01/2022 at 20:57, Andy groundhopper said:

What does infrequent mean ? Pointless putting lights up and then hardly using them. All that outlay for possibly 1 Scottish Cup game per season - come on locals,buy some blackout curtains eh 🕙

Also Easy to sleep in living room if floodlights affect your bedroom or watch tv in bedroom if they affect your living room

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15 hours ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

They LL have done it before, I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

They've done it once, but that was when the SFA fucked over Bonnyrigg and there was no SOS team waiting for a play-off. This time would be a bit different as they would be waiting until 3 days before the end of the season for the licensing committee meeting when they've already got two licensed teams about to contest a play-off.

14 hours ago, parkcircus said:

The league accepts full joint ground ownership on an Astro with lights ie Clydebank/Yoker   Petershill/Rossvale

Does that also include Glasgow Uni/Airdrie?

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9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

They've done it once, but that was when the SFA fucked over Bonnyrigg and there was no SOS team waiting for a play-off. This time would be a bit different as they would be waiting until 3 days before the end of the season for the licensing committee meeting when they've already got two licensed teams about to contest a play-off.

It doesn't make much of a difference. Compliant or not compliant on May 11th. The West/East Premier's finish on May 14th the title races could easily go to the last day, or certainly beyond March 31st. They'd do the draws for a 2 or 3 team Playoff at a League meeting well before hand. If Pollok end up WoS Premier champions and compliant by May 11th it would just be petty to exclude them.

 

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45 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

They've done it once, but that was when the SFA fucked over Bonnyrigg and there was no SOS team waiting for a play-off. This time would be a bit different as they would be waiting until 3 days before the end of the season for the licensing committee meeting when they've already got two licensed teams about to contest a play-off.

Does that also include Glasgow Uni/Airdrie?

That situation was setup before the current WOSFL board was in place, but Glasgow Uni have plans in place for their own ground at the campus

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46 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

They've done it once, but that was when the SFA fucked over Bonnyrigg and there was no SOS team waiting for a play-off. This time would be a bit different as they would be waiting until 3 days before the end of the season for the licensing committee meeting when they've already got two licensed teams about to contest a play-off.

Does that also include Glasgow Uni/Airdrie?

As far as I am aware they have only been asked once, so a 100% record. 😀

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Do people think that the clubs whose grounds are being rented by others do it out of the goodness of their own hearts? Of course not, they're charging rent. Rent that they can put toward their own facilities and squads. The clubs renting can't invest this into their own ground. In any case, how many clubs truely own their own ground? Many just have council leases.

It makes no sense to me to have football facilities stand idle every other Saturday. Land is expensive. It's unrealistic to expect every club at this level and below to be able to have its own ground and creates another barrier into clubs entering the league. How are they realistically meant to progress?

Do I think some clubs take the piss? Yes, absolutely, playing miles outside your traditional area, like BSC. But Drumchapel and St Cadocs are hardly playing miles outside their locale. Ideally it'd be great if every club could have its own ground, but pragmatically this just isn't feasible. 

So long as clubs have secure leases, then what is the issue? If the pitches are getting cut up then that's a league disciplinary issue. Any host clubs should be taking this into account and considering the impact on their pitches and maybe using some of the rental money to improve their pitch and facilities.

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On 31/01/2022 at 21:45, parkcircus said:

The league accepts full joint ground ownership on an Astro with lights ie Clydebank/Yoker   Petershill/Rossvale

 

 

 

None of these clubs "own" the ground though. They rent from the council (like many clubs). What's the difference between a club renting from another club that own their ground and renting from the council or trust etc?

 

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