not man of the match Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Long time reader of the forum on and off you are an excellent poster. Can you see this ever working in reality ? Yes it's all good ticking boxes and saying we now have a 'pyramid' a plastic version imo to use a phrase but is it really worth it? I really do worry that most clubs have been dragged into this charade. If only junior leadership had been better for the fantastic junior grade clubs in scotland .It’s not been a fantastic grade for years, much of that down to the poor leadership. This is reflective of most grades. Certain clubs do incredibly well, entertain and are successful. Some not so succesful but run by people who love football.They, like the rest are ultimately let down by this poor leadership throughout.Change was requires regardless. This new setup will allow that, if clubs stop bickering from the off.If folk don’t like it, the Junior forum is still live so feel free to pop over to it. Nobody was dragged, they all applied to move. If they didn’t look into it properly then they are guilty of their own poor leadership. Too easy to blame others. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrywhite Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, not man of the match said: It’s not been a fantastic grade for years, much of that down to the poor leadership. This is reflective of most grades. Certain clubs do incredibly well, entertain and are successful. Some not so succesful but run by people who love football. They, like the rest are ultimately let down by this poor leadership throughout. Change was requires regardless. This new setup will allow that, if clubs stop bickering from the off. If folk don’t like it, the Junior forum is still live so feel free to pop over to it. Nobody was dragged, they all applied to move. If they didn’t look into it properly then they are guilty of their own poor leadership. Too easy to blame others. Ok thanks for the input. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not man of the match Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Ok thanks for the input. You’re very welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, cherrywhite said: Long time reader of the forum on and off you are an excellent poster. Can you see this ever working in reality ? It's definitely not ideal but the number of clubs getting that far will be limited. I'm more worried about the bottleneck between the LL and the three tier 6 feeders. Hope that gets expanded out to two automatic relegation places in the not too distant future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Joined today and think LTL is an excellent poster. Maybe Bairn57 has gone for a long lie down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ilford Drummer Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Any chance we can move away from the mud slinging and find out if last night's meeting provided any hope of reconciliation? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Am at page 6.Would it be possible to get Stephen Fry to read the rest to me? ☺ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village elder Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, passbackdave said: Theres no point having 67 teams in the wosl when only a handful of them have a stadium that fits the criteria for LL. Teams that dont meet criteria should just go back junior and let clubs with ambition get on with it. Mon the papers or they could go and ground share ......like east stirling , cumbernauld colts , caledonian braves and bsc glasgow..to name just a few 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village elder Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, The Ilford Drummer said: Any chance we can move away from the mud slinging and find out if last night's meeting provided any hope of reconciliation? regardless of what I just want to watch a game........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passbackdave Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 or they could go and ground share ......like east stirling , cumbernauld colts , caledonian braves and bsc glasgow..to name just a fewVery true my point being about promotion. No point having a west of scotland league when the winners r say pollok or beith, when both stadiums arent licenced so they wouldnt be allowed into the play offs. Not a dig at either team just using as an exampleMon the papers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Village elder said: one tiny example was at Prestonfield on a Friday night this season against Newtongrange crowd of less than 130 with no opposition any where else and having engaged with a few Linlithgow fans they agreed crowds are down , Most East Stirling matches in the LL ..crowds now pitiful..any BSC game at Alloa 3 men and a dug , most games at Broadwood with the Clots 3 men and nae dug , Dunipace just the dug also at Sauchie again with no local competition crowds down I've already been berated for using one off examples of cup ties against higher league opposition...crowds in the west not spectacular...St Rochs bucking the trend in some style .With very , vert few exceptions crowds are down every where my friend and that icludes the much vaunted professional game This is the problem for those without spreadsheets - they spout shite like this when they don't have the numbers in front of them! Linlithgow's league crowds were actually the same as last season - 358 v 359 but with a Bo'ness home game still to come. Even a Tuesday night cup game against Whitehill rearranged at a few days notice had a crowd of 175. The EOS Premier Division average was 223 with big games to come, last season those same teams got an average of 174 in the conferences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, passbackdave said: Very true my point being about promotion. No point having a west of scotland league when the winners r say pollok or beith, when both stadiums arent licenced so they wouldnt be allowed into the play offs. Not a dig at either team just using as an example Mon the papers The only two clubs capable of promotion to the Lowland League right now are Glasgow University and Girvan since they are licenced. Everyone considered Dalkeith Thistle to be one of the first clubs to gain a licence from the SFA since they declared first back in January 2018 and got to start the process before the moratorium was put in palce. Even when floodlights were forced into the requirements last minute, Dalkeith had floodlights. They've now been through two rounds of licencing in 2019 & 2020. They still don't have a licence. Nobody is guaranteed a licence in time for promotion in 2020-21. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Seen it said on Twitter that St Anthony's delegate on the Zoom Conference last night didn't cause much of a commotion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickbaw Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Village elder said: or they could go and ground share ......like east stirling , cumbernauld colts , caledonian braves and bsc glasgow..to name just a few Who do Caledonian braves share with thought they had their own place now... That they got of the council the old Bothwellhaugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrywhite Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Seen it said on Twitter that St Anthony's delegate on the Zoom Conference last night didn't cause much of a commotion. Why not let good clubs and good football men like at the ants get on with it nobody on here needs a minute by minute update on things ffs. 2 hours ago, Jimmy Caskie said: Can I just say as a board member of Clydebank fc that at no time have we as a club commented on any of this and this post should be retracted. Terrible accusation to make which some people could believe if they don't read the whole thread. Well to an outsider looking in many will see a clydebank supporter with 'sources' and obviously conclude someone within the club is leaking info to him it's not rocket science. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot supporter Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 What's the latest with promotions, will Darvel Blantyre come up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, cherrywhite said: Why not let good clubs and good football men like at the ants get on with it nobody on here needs a minute by minute update on things ffs. Because you one club's "good football man" going on a run of public tweets saying they will demand their £500 back, and return to the West Region. Then another acting on behalf of the club doing no such thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ginaro said: This is the problem for those without spreadsheets - they spout shite like this when they don't have the numbers in front of them! Linlithgow's league crowds were actually the same as last season - 358 v 359 but with a Bo'ness home game still to come. Even a Tuesday night cup game against Whitehill rearranged at a few days notice had a crowd of 175. The EOS Premier Division average was 223 with big games to come, last season those same teams got an average of 174 in the conferences. I too have a spreadsheet that backs ye up. Some simple numbers from last season (taken from yer man on here who was collecting the figures and using only league figures. His name escapes me at the moment. Apologies.) The 20 best supported Junior sides had a combined average attendance of 280 The 20 best supported Senior non-league sides had a combined average attendance of 309 The idea that the Juniors are better supported at the top end of the non league game is not true. I know some will, perhaps correctly, point to the fact that a few ex-Junior sides have inflated the figures for the Lowland League and EoSFL (Kelty, Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, etc.) but if we exclude the eight sides in the top 20 who were recently junior sides and replace them with "traditional" senior teams it only drops to 244. Not a huge gap at all. There were 40 clubs in the Juniors last year averaging over three figures and 49 in the non-league seniors (including the much maligned BSC Glasgow). The idea that The Juniors have better attendances than other non-league sides is a nonsense. The loss of the big clubs in the East has killed that theory stone dead. Edited April 30, 2020 by AsimButtHitsASix 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 McKenna Sr's tweets yesterday were a disgrace coming from a man in his position. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I too have a spreadsheet that backs ye up. Some simple numbers from last season (taken from yer man on here who was collecting the figures and using only league figures. His name escapes me at the moment. Apologies.) The 20 best supported Junior sides had a combined average attendance of 280 The 20 best supported Senior non-league sides had a combined average attendance of 309 The idea that the Juniors are better supported at the top end of the non league game is not true. I know some will, perhaps correctly, point to the fact that a few ex-Junior sides have inflated the figures for the Lowland League and EoSFL (Kelty, Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, etc.) but if we exclude the eight sides in the top 20 who were recently junior sides and replace them with "traditional" senior teams it only drops to 244. Not a huge gap at all. There were 40 clubs in the Juniors last year averaging over three figures and 49 in the non-league seniors (including the much maligned BSC Glasgow). The idea that The Juniors have better attendances than other non-league sides is a nonsense. The loss of the big clubs in the East has killed that theory stone dead. Said it before but so easy for supporters of bigger West sides to think the world is rosy. Lok add three figures (and sometimes considerably) to virtually every away game, Bot too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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