ropy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If there is no play off this year can the HL and LL winners be incorporated into next years (extended) play off as compensation, obviously if they win their league again then no additional match would be required, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pansjambo said: Hearts weren't guaranteed to finish last yet you're wanting them relegated... I've made it clear multiple times that my opinion is no matter what happens there will be teams punished. My opinion is that temporary league construction is the worst outcome, as it sees the most teams harmed long term. You get increased relegation, and decreased promotion, across all divisions. Leaves you with voiding the season, or calling it as it is. Calling it as it is without promotion/relegation rewards teams bottom of their league and punishes those at the top. Calling it as it is with promotion/relegation rewards teams at the top of their league, and punishes those at the bottom. That seems the fairest way to me. Permanent reconstruction, which rewards clubs who weren't even guaranteed a play off, is also a worse option to me, you're handing long term benefits to one club, and not another, despite them currently having an equal chance of promotion. There is no outcome that doesnt see teams unfairly punished. Edited April 28, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 The players seem up for it. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5539804/survey-80-per-cent-players-spfl-reconstruction-14-14-14/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansjambo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I've made it clear multiple times that my opinion is no matter what happens there will be teams punished. My opinion is that temporary league construction is the worst outcome, as it sees the most teams harmed long term. You get increased relegation, and decreased promotion, across all divisions. Leaves you with voiding the season, or calling it as it is. Calling it as it is without promotion/relegation rewards teams bottom of their league and punishes those at the top. Calling it as it is with promotion/relegation rewards teams at the top of their league, and punishes those at the bottom. That seems the fairest way to me. Permanent reconstruction, which rewards clubs who weren't even guaranteed a play off, is also a worse option to me, you're handing long term benefits to one club, and not another, despite them currently having an equal chance of promotion. There is no outcome that doesnt see teams unfairly punished. Why is it fair for any team to be punished for a world pandemic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Why is it fair for any team to be punished for a world pandemic?They’d be punished for being bottom of their division. Which is the same as every other year. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, pansjambo said: Why is it fair for any team to be punished for a world pandemic? Because they were pish? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansjambo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: They’d be punished for being bottom of their division. Which is the same as every other year. Which happens when season completed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Which happens when season completedUh huh. And the epidemic meant the season was completed early. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: They’d be punished for being bottom of their division. Which is the same as every other year. Things are a tiny wee bit different this year, m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansjambo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, tree house tam said: Because they were pish? You're lucky you didnt have to watch it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansjambo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Savage Henry said: Uh huh. And the epidemic meant the season was completed early. Season was not completed early... in fact if you believe SPFL it hasn't been called yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Season was not completed early... in fact if you believe SPFL it hasn't been called yetThe premier hasn't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 8 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: If you think the season is being "kept alive" for TV money, then you've missed the point about 3 weeks ago. The prize money is paid out. TV money is gone for this season. If you check my post I wasn't just talking about Scotland's top flight. Other leagues exist, and some even in this country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Down here in England, it's reported that the government are keen to see football starting again, and the EPL are planning to finish the season during June and July (behind closed doors), and to start next season in late August. Is there any reason that couldn't work in Scotland? Except maybe wee Nicola Krankie imposing different lockdown rules ... -17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowland star Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Scottish football reconstruction.Scotland is too small for 42 or 44 senior professional clubs, most of them tin pot shit hole clubsStart from scratch.Invite applications from all over the country for 32 top clubs - 2 leagues of 16.Pick the best run clubs, with best infrastructure, facilities, finance. To f%%k with the rest.Under this 32, regional tiers in 3 areas. North, West, East. If you're going to greet about too much travel within that, your club is too flimsy to be involved. Bye.Have as many tiers as you want under each of the region but your champion will play off against the other 2 regions and bottom of the 32 forma place with the big boys.To hell with tradition. Who gives a toss about Montrose V Brechin or Forfar V Annan. (You can replace these with equally other shit clubs)Are you related to Ann budge or are you just a idiot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, pansjambo said: Why is it fair for any team to be punished for a world pandemic? Because theres literally no alternative. Every single proposal will see teams punished because it's not been completed in time. Wait to finish the league season, and teams will half their squad going out of contract are punished as theyll (more than likely) lose some key players and have just 10 games to get new players in and firing to avoid relegation. End the season now and relegate Hearts and you're punishing them by relegating them despite there being 10 games left. End the season without promotion and you're punishing the champions of the league below. End the season, expand the leagues permanently and promote teams from below. You're punishing teams like Ayr who have as much chance of promotion, but see clubs within points of them getting the benefits of promotion instead. Temporary expansion sees clubs get punished at the end of next season with a one off expanded relegation zone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Hes not wrong, only a few select clubs would get reconstruction talks forced in to try and save them, and that's all this is. It's the other clubs at the bottom who suffer when relegation spots are multiplied after Hearts have saved themselves (with the caveat Hearts have been the worst too flight side for 18 months, so theres every chance they could still end up relegated next season regardless). My problem isn't with teams in the bottom places being "saved" from relegation as such, it's having a chief executive of one of the aforementioned clubs being charged with coming up with plan B. It stinks but there wouldn't be such a hullabaloo if HMS Alternative was being sailed by another captain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansjambo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Because theres literally no alternative. Every single proposal will see teams punished because it's not been completed in time. 1Wait to finish the league season, and teams will half their squad going out of contract are punished as theyll (more than likely) lose some key players and have just 10 games to get new players in and firing to avoid relegation. 2End the season now and relegate Hearts and you're punishing them by relegating them despite there being 10 games left. 3End the season without promotion and you're punishing the champions of the league below. 4End the season, expand the leagues permanently and promote teams from below. You're punishing teams like Ayr who have as much chance of promotion, but see clubs within points of them getting the benefits of promotion instead. Temporary expansion sees clubs get punished at the end of next season with a one off expanded relegation zone. What a load of Tom Kite 1 Every team would be in the same boat 2 Punish 1 team...so that's fair? 3They are not champions yet ,season not completed 4 It would appear thats what players want 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, pansjambo said: You're lucky you didnt have to watch it Aye the 2 or 3 games we had was enough for me. Which brings me back to you being the worst side I witnessed so you should imo be relegated. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: End the season now and relegate Hearts and you're punishing them by relegating them despite there being 10 games left. You're banking on them making the play offs then? Bold strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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