itzdrk Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hearts sending out statements like a middle aged woman sitting on Facebook who has seen photos of her ex with a younger woman. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacArab Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: It's obvious in the fact we haven't deliberately targeted DU, RR and CR, confirmed by the fact there was no legal onus on them to litigate or arbitrate against us. Your other points there's no point in replying to, it's been done back and forth by dozens of posters. Frankly, the sooner this is all over the better. How Hearts and Thistle are saying that they have not targeted the 3 promoted clubs, and have no dispute with them is utterly fucking laughable, and you must know it. If Hearts get their way, our promotions, which were confirmed 3 months ago, would be scrapped, with utterly catastrophic results on all fronts, in order to save their own arses, and if the promotions are not scrappped, Hearts want the rest of Scottish football to pay for their failure. How the f**k were we meant to react, and are you surprised that much of the rest of Scottish football now despise you as a result?. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Quote This is not about two Clubs, Hearts and Partick Thistle, battling against other member Clubs. This is about these two Clubs battling against the organisation, which is meant to look after all of our interests, and holding them accountable for their prejudicial actions. We would contend that any Club in our position would be taking similar action. Tut tut 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Aim Here said: And the SPFL's defence is not going to be the same as the three clubs defence Why not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Virtual Insanity said: Why not? The SPFL can settle the case in ways that hurt Dundee United - for example, agreeing to the relegation - at no cost to themselves Edited July 10, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Aim Here said: There was no legal onus on the SPFL to respond either. They could have ignored it and sucked up the default judgement. But they obviously had to do it because the lawsuit was going to target them and cost them a shitton. Likewise, the three clubs would have to reply if they didn't want to lose a shitton - £10 million between Raith and United, if the petition's assessment of the cost of being in a lower league, as opposed to a higher one isn't a fantasy pulled-out-of-their-arse figure. And the SPFL's defence is not going to be the same as the three clubs defence - the three clubs have to be the guys paying the lawyers if they want the lawyer to represent their interests. As for the other points - it was a retort to Hearts statement; they felt the need to rehash that argument, I'll just autopilot the response. Fighting for the piece of pie was always going to be the outcome here,the impasse was created by self interest on both sides. The ships have already sailed it's all about the dosh now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hearts sending out statements like a middle aged woman sitting on Facebook who has seen photos of her ex with a younger woman. Hearts = Karen 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aim Here said: The SPFL can settle the case in ways that hurt Dundee United - for example, agreeing to the relegation - at no cost to themselves Agreeing to the relegation? The SPFL are a members body and they are representing their members and the decision those members took - the one Thistle and Hearts are challenging. The SPFL can't simply turn round and agree with us and agree to not promote the named clubs. I've largely stayed out of this because it's unremittingly dull and I think we should both be relegated (albeit I think some much reduced level of compensation in light of the unique circumstances would be reasonable) - but the idea that Dundee United, Raith and Cove have been dragged into this by Thistle and Hearts and forced to shell out tens of thousands in legal fees is demonstrably nonsensical. They had a number of options available to them and they chose to represent their interests as fully as they possibly could which is entirely within their rights (as it is within Thistle and Hearts), but they can't turn round and then complain about the cost of doing so. Begging other clubs to pay you when they're already paying the SPFL to represent their interests is embarrassing. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, Insaintee said: Sevco have played this masterfully. Priming up Hearts, paying thistle's fees. And then sitting back and pulling the strings. They will stop nine a row yet. Can you name anyone at Ibrox who is clever enough for that? He or she has been conspicuous in his absence for the past decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Tut tut Except Stranrar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: Can you name anyone at Ibrox who is clever enough for that? He or she has been conspicuous in his absence for the past decade. Craig white 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, Insaintee said: Craig white So, are you able to provide your source that Rangers are paying Partick's fees? Or is it just conspiracy theory waffle that you've gobbled up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, MacArab said: How Hearts and Thistle are saying that they have not targeted the 3 promoted clubs, and have no dispute with them is utterly fucking laughable, and you must know it. If Hearts get their way, our promotions, which were confirmed 3 months ago, would be scrapped, with utterly catastrophic results on all fronts, in order to save their own arses, and if the promotions are not scrappped, Hearts want the rest of Scottish football to pay for their failure. How the f**k were we meant to react, and are you surprised that much of the rest of Scottish football now despise you as a result?. Getting our way would've resulted in no relegation and a reconstruction that would've seen promotions honoured. Instead, everyone else didn't fancy that and thought Hearts were bluffing about legal action, so when it turns out we weren't we should just shut up and take our medicine. Any outcome in this scenario is going to see teams fucked financially in some way, all Hearts and Partick are doing is challenging why it should be us when we were relegated with plenty games to spare. Any other club would do the exact same and are lying if they think they wouldn't. If there'd even been an offer of compensation to the affected teams it might've helped, but no it was "get doon". And it's us that are despised for not just accepting relegation. The idea that we specifically targeted the 3 clubs is bollocks though, they happened to be ones that'd be affected if we are successful in overturning relegation (which we all know we wont be). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, AJF said: So, are you able to provide your source that Rangers are paying Partick's fees? Or is it just conspiracy theory waffle that you've gobbled up? I think you'll find that you've gobbled it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Hearts confirming what should be pretty obvious. Unfortunately the narrative has been us and Partick deliberately taking aim at individual clubs when it's clearly the SPFL as an organisation we are against. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3 "As a matter of urgency, we would like to clarify our position in relation to the role being played by Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in our case against the SPFL. Those clubs were named in the Petition, along with Stranraer, because they are the clubs most likely to be impacted by a decision in our favour. We are not, and have never been, in direct dispute with them. The SPFL is opposing our Petition and will do so at the forthcoming arbitration. Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers were not therefore required to litigate or arbitrate against us. However, they chose to do so. For the avoidance of doubt, we accept that was a choice they were fully entitled to make, no doubt having been fully advised of the risks and costs. We absolutely know and understand that was not a decision to be taken lightly. This is not about two Clubs, Hearts and Partick Thistle, battling against other member Clubs. This is about these two Clubs battling against the organisation, which is meant to look after all of our interests, and holding them accountable for their prejudicial actions. We would contend that any Club in our position would be taking similar action. However, encouraging clubs to fund anyone’s costs in this process could create further division. We consider such an approach to be at odds with the fundamental requirement of the SPFL rules that the SPFL and each Club shall behave towards each other with the utmost good faith. We cannot therefore let that pass without comment."That's an utter cop-out - if you are cited you need to defend your position - it's not a fucking choice. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Virtual Insanity said: Agreeing to the relegation? The SPFL are a members body and they are representing their members and the decision those members took - the one Thistle and Hearts are challenging. The SPFL can't simply turn round and agree with us and agree to not promote the named clubs. This, the SPFL defence can't just agree to Hearts and Partick staying in their leagues. The very argument is that they are acting in their members interests, which means upholding the original vote that they are arguing should stand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1 hour ago, Tony Wonder said: Hearts confirming what should be pretty obvious. Unfortunately the narrative has been us and Partick deliberately taking aim at individual clubs when it's clearly the SPFL as an organisation we are against. https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3 "As a matter of urgency, we would like to clarify our position in relation to the role being played by Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in our case against the SPFL. Those clubs were named in the Petition, along with Stranraer, because they are the clubs most likely to be impacted by a decision in our favour. We are not, and have never been, in direct dispute with them. The SPFL is opposing our Petition and will do so at the forthcoming arbitration. Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers were not therefore required to litigate or arbitrate against us. However, they chose to do so. For the avoidance of doubt, we accept that was a choice they were fully entitled to make, no doubt having been fully advised of the risks and costs. We absolutely know and understand that was not a decision to be taken lightly. This is not about two Clubs, Hearts and Partick Thistle, battling against other member Clubs. This is about these two Clubs battling against the organisation, which is meant to look after all of our interests, and holding them accountable for their prejudicial actions. We would contend that any Club in our position would be taking similar action. However, encouraging clubs to fund anyone’s costs in this process could create further division. We consider such an approach to be at odds with the fundamental requirement of the SPFL rules that the SPFL and each Club shall behave towards each other with the utmost good faith. We cannot therefore let that pass without comment." That's an utter cop-out - if you are cited you need to defend your position - it's not a fucking choice. The promoted clubs are beneficiaries, they don't have a "position". The only people who have a "position" are the SPFL and Hearts/Thistle. However, the statement suggesting that asking for help for legal costs is somehow against the SPFL rules is nonsense. Edited July 10, 2020 by craigkillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: The promoted clubs are beneficiaries, they don't have a "position". The only people who have a "position" are the SPFL and Hearts/Thistle. However, the statement suggesting that asking for help for legal costs is somehow against the SPFL rules is nonsense. I don't think the statement is claiming it's actually against the rules, just that it's at odds with the spirit of treating clubs with good faith. Which tbf could be argued hasn't been upheld at any point throughout the whole process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: The idea that we specifically targeted the 3 clubs is bollocks though, they happened to be ones that'd be affected if we are successful in overturning relegation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Virtual Insanity said: Agreeing to the relegation? The SPFL are a members body and they are representing their members and the decision those members took - the one Thistle and Hearts are challenging. The SPFL can't simply turn round and agree with us and agree to not promote the named clubs. If the case looks lost for the SPFL, it may be the best course of action to settle, and if there are no United/Thistle/Cove lawyers at the table when the settlement is negotiated, the settlement is likely to hurt them more than otherwise. The main point is that the defences can diverge - and it already has. The three clubs motion at the hearing was completely incompatible with the SPFL's motion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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