welshbairn Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 A global pandemic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: ETA.. the Bill Leckie piece. Has he said anything about this or is he serious columnist now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: What's the most dece law firm in Scotland, and how much do they charge? Sure we can do better than that Garry Borland character. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: A global pandemic? No, no, you are just misunderstanding poor old Tom. It's not like he's a seasoned journalist who knows exactly how his comments will be taken and has written them in a way to be inflammatory. Poor Tom, such a misunderstood character. It's all our fault you know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 52 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Slight differences in the three clubs' statements. Guess who's who. We thought we better change it just in case we upset Falkirk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Romeo said: What are Hearts fans basing the claim that they are the 3rd biggest club on? Hearts fans on P&B. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Of_Kings Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, King_Of_Kings said: Bill Leckie seems to be the only one in Glasgow that calls it like it is: "He’s (Craig Gordon) also bang on when he expresses his dismay that Scottish football hasn’t been able to sort itself out despite its problems not meaning a toss compared to what’s going on in the wider world. Without wishing to pick an argument with one of the game’s good guys, though, I have to say that, if he’s searching for a reason why it’s all gone so pear-shaped, it’s right under his nose; right there in his boyhood club’s boardroom. Hearts are the ones who finished bottom of the table despite spending top-three money on players. Hearts are the ones who panicked and demanded those players take pay cuts before the government even had the chance to introduce the furlough scheme. Hearts backed the wrong horse in the vote on ending the season early, then again on the vote calling for an independent probe into how that decision was reached. A reconstruction plan that would have saved their bacon fell on its backside, even though their own sugar-mummy Ann Budge chaired the committee who came up with it. They dragged United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers into their legal fight to have the final tables declared void, a situation that has left Raith fearing they’ll be unable to risk a six-figure legal bill and will simply be crossing their fingers that the decision goes their way. As if this wasn’t heavy-handed enough, Budge then nicked Robbie Neilson from Tannadice as her new manager — a hefty investment which, along with the deal to bring Gordon in from Celtic, is an almighty boot in the stones for every employee forced into a drop in wages when Budge pleaded poverty. I know Jambos fans will be sick of reading this, maybe even as sick as I am of writing it, but it has to be put on record that, despite dominating the headlines for pretty much all of these 115 locked-down days, their club have produced not one positive, winning idea. Good God, even when the hugely-generous James Anderson offered a donation of millions to make sure no clubs went down the pan, all Budge had to do was introduce him to Neil Doncaster and let them shake hands, but even then she managed to turn it into a fight. Like Rangers chairman Douglas Park before her, she’s read the room wrong time and again. She’s been fighting shadows, punching smoke. Plus, when she and her lawyers were throwing their weight around by plunging the plans of the three lower league winners into disarray, why didn’t they have the courage to claim that Celtic shouldn’t have been named Premiership champions? After all, if they’re actually saying relegation shouldn’t have counted, how can the title stand? Sorry, but there are more holes in Budge’s defence than . . . well, there were in her back four all last season, which really is saying something. And, for the umpteenth time, let me also say without fear of contradiction that, if they’d come off the bottom by winning at Paisley in the last, pivotal match before the shutters came down, we’d never have heard a peep from them. So, sure, there will be bad blood whatever happens now. But it’s Hearts who spilled it. Sure, it’ll forever be a crying shame that they, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were condemned to the drop when they still had enough games left to save themselves. But there are also countless businesses who might never open their doors again, tens of thousands of workers sweating over when they’ll earn a crust again. All Hearts were asked to do was suck up some rank bad luck and agree to kick a ball around in a different division come August — a division they’d be odds-on favourites to win. Whatever happens next in this sorry, sordid saga, the fact that they preferred to cause chaos for everyone else around them will stain those famous maroon shirts for a long time to come." https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777365/craig-gordon-hearts-relegation-row-bill-leckie/ 11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Has he said anything about this or is he serious columnist now? He said the above 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, King_Of_Kings said: He said the above That's quite good tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannadeechee Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. X said: Did your club vote for reconstruction? No United did not as the proposals were crap and badly thought out. Cove and Raith Rovers did. That is a statement from all 3 clubs from United's website. Could have been linked from Cove's or Raith's. Did HMFC and PTFC have to specifically mention United, Cove & Rovers? Nope they could have achieved the same thing by going against SPFL only. Goes against the "no club should be harmed" mantra does it not? 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. X said: Did your club vote for reconstruction? What has that got to do with anything? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Quote 2 hours ago, King_Of_Kings said: Bill Leckie seems to be the only one in Glasgow that calls it like it is: "He’s (Craig Gordon) also bang on when he expresses his dismay that Scottish football hasn’t been able to sort itself out despite its problems not meaning a toss compared to what’s going on in the wider world. Without wishing to pick an argument with one of the game’s good guys, though, I have to say that, if he’s searching for a reason why it’s all gone so pear-shaped, it’s right under his nose; right there in his boyhood club’s boardroom. Hearts are the ones who finished bottom of the table despite spending top-three money on players. Hearts are the ones who panicked and demanded those players take pay cuts before the government even had the chance to introduce the furlough scheme. Hearts backed the wrong horse in the vote on ending the season early, then again on the vote calling for an independent probe into how that decision was reached. A reconstruction plan that would have saved their bacon fell on its backside, even though their own sugar-mummy Ann Budge chaired the committee who came up with it. They dragged United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers into their legal fight to have the final tables declared void, a situation that has left Raith fearing they’ll be unable to risk a six-figure legal bill and will simply be crossing their fingers that the decision goes their way. As if this wasn’t heavy-handed enough, Budge then nicked Robbie Neilson from Tannadice as her new manager — a hefty investment which, along with the deal to bring Gordon in from Celtic, is an almighty boot in the stones for every employee forced into a drop in wages when Budge pleaded poverty. I know Jambos fans will be sick of reading this, maybe even as sick as I am of writing it, but it has to be put on record that, despite dominating the headlines for pretty much all of these 115 locked-down days, their club have produced not one positive, winning idea. Good God, even when the hugely-generous James Anderson offered a donation of millions to make sure no clubs went down the pan, all Budge had to do was introduce him to Neil Doncaster and let them shake hands, but even then she managed to turn it into a fight. Like Rangers chairman Douglas Park before her, she’s read the room wrong time and again. She’s been fighting shadows, punching smoke. Plus, when she and her lawyers were throwing their weight around by plunging the plans of the three lower league winners into disarray, why didn’t they have the courage to claim that Celtic shouldn’t have been named Premiership champions? After all, if they’re actually saying relegation shouldn’t have counted, how can the title stand? Sorry, but there are more holes in Budge’s defence than . . . well, there were in her back four all last season, which really is saying something. And, for the umpteenth time, let me also say without fear of contradiction that, if they’d come off the bottom by winning at Paisley in the last, pivotal match before the shutters came down, we’d never have heard a peep from them. So, sure, there will be bad blood whatever happens now. But it’s Hearts who spilled it. Sure, it’ll forever be a crying shame that they, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were condemned to the drop when they still had enough games left to save themselves. But there are also countless businesses who might never open their doors again, tens of thousands of workers sweating over when they’ll earn a crust again. All Hearts were asked to do was suck up some rank bad luck and agree to kick a ball around in a different division come August — a division they’d be odds-on favourites to win. Whatever happens next in this sorry, sordid saga, the fact that they preferred to cause chaos for everyone else around them will stain those famous maroon shirts for a long time to come." https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5777365/craig-gordon-hearts-relegation-row-bill-leckie/ 11 minutes ago, King_Of_Kings said: He said the above 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, kingjoey said: What has that got to do with anything? Hearts logic is that if you didnt vote for a reconstruction that both harms your club short term and long term then you've one of the reasons Hearts were relegated. They're utterly oblivious to the fact there was support for reconstruction, just not the absolute mess Budge thought up. If she'd had the brains to actually allow other clubs to take charge, and give the lower league clubs a say, it likely could've happened. Instead she seemingly demanded to head the committee and just constantly proposed what she wanted despite the clear failure that awaited. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) When are Hearts supporters going to understand other clubs didn't vote against reconstruction to relegate them? They voted against it because the plans put forward for voting were absolute fucking dug shit. The plans put forward for would have made the game much much worse particularly in the Premiership. "Best for the Scottish" Budge and co said... Gtf. Edited July 6, 2020 by Mr Positive, sometimes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I think the Hearts lads are losing sight of the fact they were relegated because they were bottom of the league.Due to them.beimg the worst team in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I think the Hearts lads are losing sight of the fact they were relegated because they were bottom of the league.Due to them.beimg the worst team in the league. Bottom of the league when the season was abandoned and incomplete key difference, I am not a hearts fun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Romeo said: I think the Hearts lads are losing sight of the fact they were relegated because they were bottom of the league. Due to them.beimg the worst team in the league. Country mile worst team as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arabdelic Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: When are Hearts supporters going to understand other clubs didn't vote against reconstruction to relegate them? They voted against it because the plans put forward for voting were absolute fucking dug shit. The plans put forward for would have made the game much much worse particularly in the Premiership. "Best for the Scottish" Budge and co said... Gtf. Lets not forget Budge's words before they ended up in the mess they are "I think 42 senior clubs is too many for Scotland. You're looking at about half that number." 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, DAVIDB69 said: Bottom of the league when the season was abandoned and incomplete key difference, I am not a hearts fun If you have champions, you have to have relegated teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorky Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Hearts logic is that if you didnt vote for a reconstruction that both harms your club short term and long term then you've one of the reasons Hearts were relegated. They're utterly oblivious to the fact there was support for reconstruction, just not the absolute mess Budge thought up. If she'd had the brains to actually allow other clubs to take charge, and give the lower league clubs a say, it likely could've happened. Instead she seemingly demanded to head the committee and just constantly proposed what she wanted despite the clear failure that awaited. For me Leckie is spot on, Hearts and their supporters will only move on when they start to take some responsibility rather than blaming everyone else. I simply fail to understand this wish they have to try and destroy other clubs while seemingly unable to see Scottish football in crisis actually also effects them negatively. I would fully agree that there is a discussion to be had regarding reconstruction but the timing of that needs to be right, not in the middle of a pandemic. One or two clubs made that very point, however this was never about reconstruction that benefited everyone, it was about using it as an excuse to save Hearts. When things settle down those talks can begin without clubs having a gun pointed to their heads. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tannadeechee said: No United did not as the proposals were crap and badly thought out. Cove and Raith Rovers did. That is a statement from all 3 clubs from United's website. Could have been linked from Cove's or Raith's. Did HMFC and PTFC have to specifically mention United, Cove & Rovers? Nope they could have achieved the same thing by going against SPFL only. Goes against the "no club should be harmed" mantra does it not? Tbf, that second paragraph isn't right. These three clubs are the ones who would lose out if Hearts were successful. They had to cite the clubs to pursue the remedy they were seeking. That remedy is absolute nonsense but once they decided to go down that road they had to cite the promoted clubs. Edited July 6, 2020 by Pull My Strings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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