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25 minutes ago, Roy McGregor brown stuff said:

The courts silly. 

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The SFA rules?

The Hearts QC claimed the SFA rules could be ignored because they are not in the SPFL rule book.

Even though Hearts are also members of the SFA.

Oh aye, they charged the coach right through that one!

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41 minutes ago, Roy McGregor brown stuff said:

🤣🤣 Aye ok then. Read up on those SPFL rules. Didn’t realise I was talking to someone with such in-depth knowledge of the case. My mistake.
 

& Here was me thinking  this wasn’t the bar exam messageboard. I’m so sorry. 🤣🤣

No it is a message board, full of folk giving their opinions and ideas on what is going round. But as posted if you are going to write post after post stating what you say as being what will happen as fact, be prepared to back it up. If you claim that someome is stupid, be prepared for them to question you further.

I have the rulebook, I've read the court document.

No one comes on here to try and be antagonistic to others ( well most don't) but engage in debate folk like that. They don't like condescending comment and superiority complex posts as your recent output. As said debate, read and take onboard others points. You may disagree with their point, but if backed up it's no less valid than your opinion.

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3 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

Welcome back Ugly Prince reddot.

Spotted that, just been hit with a couple myself. Is that Roy... other account. Seems to red dot replies to him.

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6 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

Welcome back Ugly Prince reddot.

Funny that they were coaxed out from the sidelines after constant 'drive-by dotting' sessions only to be shown up as an absolute Moon howler, rightfully pilloried, and has returned to the shadows with their tail between their legs only to continue back where they were before.

Still, it's as easy to updot every one of their downs. Just showing what an utter irrelevance they are.

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5 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

Spotted that, just been hit with a couple myself. Is that Roy... other account. Seems to red dot replies to him.

Dont know, but hes a pathetic c**t

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4 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

Spotted that, just been hit with a couple myself. Is that Roy... other account. Seems to red dot replies to him.

Nah. Charlie's been around for years, and, despite his habit of bragging about his educational abilities, he's a bit thicker and even more of a welt than the Kickback cast-offs that are currently infecting  the threads here, let alone the pre-lockdown Jambo contingent.

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3 hours ago, JTS98 said:

I've not been listening. Because it's boring.

But it seems that the SPFL's QC accepts that Dundee's vote was indeed received at 4.48pm. Where does this leave the SPFL with their now infamous 5pm Statement on the day of The Vote?

 

2 hours ago, JTS98 said:

There's a poster on Kickback called FootballFirst. If you're looking at the JKB thread, he's probably the best guy to read.

I don't know him or know his full background, but for years he's been the JKB go-to-guy for legal matters. He's very level, not really partisan at all, and explains things pretty clearly. He tends to guide the board through anything legal and sticks to the facts.

You can probably more or less ignore everybody else.

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1 hour ago, Roy McGregor brown stuff said:

🤣🤣 Aye ok then. Read up on those SPFL rules. Didn’t realise I was talking to someone with such in-depth knowledge of the case. My mistake.
 

& Here was me thinking  this wasn’t the bar exam messageboard. I’m so sorry. 🤣🤣

 

1 hour ago, Roy McGregor brown stuff said:

Are they? Can not believe you haven’t been in court last couple of days. I mean, the defence of the SPFL wanting the SFA to arbitrate has been looking solid. You’re wasted on a footy message board. 

Very poor. Folk were debating with you but the above screams that you have nothing to add so have tried to discredit the poster responding as well as trying to demean their response.

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9 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

Once upon a time, Shotts Bon Accord took the Scottish Junior Football Association to court. They won their case but the SJFA suspended them from all football for a season and when they were allowed back in, they had to start in the lowest division. 25 years ago and not a precedent but clubs have been chucked out of Scottish football before for going to the courts, despite articles of association forbidding it.

The SPFL Articles specifically provide for expulsion, although it requires a Qualified Resolution to be passed.

Article 166 “The Company may by Qualified Resolution from time to time and upon such terms and conditions as it may think fit, expel...any Club from the League”.

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23 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

This has the same outcome as France written all over it.

So an optimistic declaration of hostilities and a phoney war of words for a few months, followed by their meticulously prepared defences being trivially sidestepped when the enemy takes the battle into neutral territory, leading to a decisive, one-sided engagement, capitulation and surrender?

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24 minutes ago, Flash said:

The SPFL Articles specifically provide for expulsion, although it requires a Qualified Resolution to be passed.

Article 166 “The Company may by Qualified Resolution from time to time and upon such terms and conditions as it may think fit, expel...any Club from the League”.

The SPFL is a big enough laughing stock as it is. No need for it to embarrass itself further. 

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Noticed on Twitter that Tranmere had released a club statement. Went to have a look as thought it might be them confirming United have permission to speak to Micky Mellon or whatever, but alas, no. The EFL are currently making us looking like absolute champions when many thought we'd dealt with this terribly.  Only reason I'm posting this here is to highlight how things aren't all bad here.

Tranmere Rovers have released a statement complaining about the EFL Instagram:

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Update to Tranmere Fans regarding EFL Instagram Post of 23rd May

On Saturday 23rd May 2020, a post was sent out from the EFL’s Instagram channel which referenced Tranmere Rovers’ promotion from League Two to League One in 2019.

Comments are enabled by default on any Instagram post and screen shots show that at least 12 messages were left on the Tranmere post during the course of the morning on Saturday 23rd May.

 

By 11am on that day, the Club has screenshots to show that the comment button on the Tranmere Post had disappeared. Tranmere fans realised that they could not comment on the post and alerted the Club to this, and fans quickly started to express their anger at this on social media.  

By around 12 noon, the Club has screenshots to show that the comment button on the Instagram post had reappeared, but the comments which had been left early morning had disappeared. 

After Tranmere complained to the EFL, no further comments (so far as we are aware) disappeared.

Tranmere requested the EFL to clarify why the ability to comment had been disabled and why comments which had been left had been deleted. The EFL  initially stated that they were not aware of any issue with the Tranmere Post, and had not at any stage taken any action to either remove the ability to comment, or to delete comments.  Later that day, they suggested to us that a technical upgrade being made on the previous night could have caused the problem.  

On the same day, we were advised by a journalist that he had been told by a member of the EFL’s communications team that there had been a problem with the Tranmere Post, but that they had fixed it.  The journalist kept written notes of that conversation.  

The Club did not think that it was plausible that the Tranmere Post could have been impacted in the way described above by a technical upgrade at the EFL, and was also concerned at the inconsistency in explanations and therefore requested the EFL to investigate further.

Although it may not at first sight seem a particularly important matter, it was regarded as such by the Club given that at the time the controversial EFL proposals to end the season using PPG had just been announced, and the Club felt it was fundamentally important to allow free debate and comment in the lead up to the vote.  Given that Tranmere would be relegated if PPG was used to end the season, and that of all clubs in the entire EFL Tranmere was the club most disadvantaged by the EFL’s proposals, it was to be expected that the Tranmere post (which referenced our promotion to League One) would attract a great deal of comment.

The EFL have confirmed to us that it is their policy to allow comments on all EFL posts and not to censor any content other than that which might violate the platform’s general community rules.

The EFL has conducted a review, at Tranmere’s request, into what happened and following that review has suggested 4 possible explanations:

  1. Deliberate manual intervention by an EFL employee or other person with editorial rights over the EFL’s Instagram account. The Club and the EFL both accept that it is possible to disable comments on a post, to re-enable them, and to delete individual comments by manual intervention. However, the EFL have questioned all of their relevant employees and they have all stated that they did not make any manual intervention.  The EFL has said it accepts the assurances made by its employees;
     
  2. Accidental manual intervention by an EFL employee or other person with editorial rights over the EFL’s Instagram account. Given the number of steps involved in disabling and  reenabling the ability to comment, and deleting comments which had been posted, the EFL and Tranmere both agree that this is not a plausible explanation;
     
  3. A technical issue at Instagram causing changes to be made without any intervention by anyone. Instagram have confirmed that it is “highly unlikely” that a technical issue could have caused the issue and that, whilst it cannot be categorically ruled out, it can be said with “a high degree of certainty” that a technical issue was not the cause; or
  4. Unauthorised access to the EFL’s Instagram account (ie a hacker). The EFL have confirmed there is nothing to indicate that the account was subject to any unauthorised access.  

The EFL’s conclusion, based on their employees’ assurances, is that their investigation is inconclusive and accordingly no action is required.

The Club regards this as a highly unsatisfactory outcome. Whilst the Club accepts that it cannot be conclusively proved that it was not a technical issue at Instagram, the Club regards it as so unlikely that it should be discounted. This is because:

  1. Instagram received no notifications from any other user that there were problems of this nature on that day; 
  2. none of the EFL’s other posts on the same day suffered the same issues; 
  3. the “glitch” would have had to have made a series of changes to the Tranmere Post over a period of hours, rather than one single error; and
  4. we would have to believe that the series of changes made by the technical glitch coincidentally occurred at times such that they appeared to respond to social media messages from our fans (for example, when comments were made that comments were disabled, the comment functionality reappeared within less than an hour, and when a complaint was made regarding comments being deleted, they then stopped being deleted).

The Club’s view is that the only plausible explanation is manual intervention by a person with access to the EFL’s Instagram account. We are therefore disappointed not to have received any acknowledgment from the EFL that this is the most likely scenario, nor any apology for the apparent breach of EFL’s policy on censorship.

https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/news/2020/july/club-statement/

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33 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

So an optimistic declaration of hostilities and a phoney war of words for a few months, followed by their meticulously prepared defences being trivially sidestepped when the enemy takes the battle into neutral territory, leading to a decisive, one-sided engagement, capitulation and surrender?

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Does anyone think it'll be over by Christmas?

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8 minutes ago, Golden Gordon said:

Does anyone think it'll be over by Christmas?

It will have been won by Rangers by Christmas. 

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2 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

It will have been won by Rangers by Christmas. 

After a series of 80 minute matches have been played of course. 

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5 hours ago, HK Hibee said:

You made some reasonable points but I read 2 pages after this post and no-one called you on it, so I will.  
 

this argument is bollocks. This is the “we were waiting for the last 8 games strategy“. It might work but I also might get a chance to cop off with Monica Belluci - neither are very likely. In both cases past performance is a good indicator of future performance.  

Aye it is bollocks.  He wrote that as a reply to me but it was such pish that it did not deserve a response. 4 wins all season and couldn't beat any of the bottom 6 since January.

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