Gorgie greatness Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, kingjoey said: I know that I’m a simple soul, but I cannot fathom, apart from straw clutching, why the Hearts/Partick Thistle camp are placing such a huge importance on the initial vote to end the lower leagues. The vote had no binding relevance to the Premiership being called. And more importantly even if all 42 clubs had voted for the leagues not to be finished, because of government regulations in Scotland, they would still have to have been finished without playing any further matches and we would still be where we are now. So to me this vote is totally irrelevant to the relegations and promotions which are being disputed. Hopefully the court can see this. Simply Partick aren’t in the top league. If all 42 had voted against ending the league we would be doing what all the other leagues are doing now which is finishing the leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Simply Partick aren’t in the top league. If all 42 had voted against ending the league we would be doing what all the other leagues are doing now which is finishing the leagues. Really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, kingjoey said: The vote had no binding relevance to the Premiership being called. It did, it gave the SPFL board the power to call the Premiership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Simply Partick aren’t in the top league. If all 42 had voted against ending the league we would be doing what all the other leagues are doing now which is finishing the leagues. Let me introduce you to a place called Northern Ireland. Their clubs wanted to complete the season, and left the 2019/20 season open as long as they could. UEFA imposed a 3 August deadline to nominate teams for their 2020/21 competitions, which then meant they had run out of time to finish the league. So the Northern Irish league was curtailed last week after all. If (for argument's sake) Dundee had stuck with their original intention to vote against curtailing 2019/20, we would have ended up curtailing anyway at a later date. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Moonster Posted July 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think no matter the resolution now, Hearts need kicked out the league. Not really out of any sporting merit or out of fairness, just because it would be incredibly funny and we could all do with a right good laugh this year. 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: Let me introduce you to a place called Northern Ireland. Their clubs wanted to complete the season, and left the 2019/20 season open as long as they could. UEFA imposed a 3 August deadline to nominate teams for their 2020/21 competitions, which then meant they had run out of time to finish the league. So the Northern Irish league was curtailed last week after all. If (for argument's sake) Dundee had stuck with their original intention to vote against curtailing 2019/20, we would have ended up curtailing anyway at a later date. But the EPL! And so begins the merry dance once more... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 As has been noted, anyone who still insists that the league(s) can still be played to a finish is at it or incredibly thick. Either way, they deserve zero credence and should be roundly ignored. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Simply Partick aren’t in the top league. If all 42 had voted against ending the league we would be doing what all the other leagues are doing now which is finishing the leagues. where does this 'all the other leagues' thing come from? Total Twilight Zone stuff. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: It did, it gave the SPFL board the power to call the Premiership. They always had that power. The vote was a courtesy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 hours ago, JTS98 said: Did you just ignore the part where I said my question about that wasn't a legal one? I don't really see the difference. You either believe that Ian Blair and Deloitte lied about the email or you don't. The legal and moral issues are much the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, The DA said: They always had that power. The vote was a courtesy. That was true for all divisions though. The vote was as relevant to the premiership as it was to the other 3 leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The DA said: They always had that power. The vote was a courtesy. Are you entirely sure? There was a formal vote - which altered the rules so that it gave the SPFL board the power to end the season early (and actually ended it for tiers 2-4), and then there was a consultation in May prior to the board doing the actual ending of the Premiership season, which looks more like the 'courtesy' vote. Maybe the SPFL had exceptional powers before the April vote to unilaterally end the season and ignore rule C14 about how a season is 38 games, but I doubt it. It's not obvious from my very brief skim of the articles of association. Edited July 3, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The DA said: They always had that power. The vote was a courtesy. Yes but the vote covered all 4 leagues, just that the Premiership held off as UEFA hadn't made clear their position on ending the leagues at that point. The vote was absolutely relevant to the Premiership. Edited July 3, 2020 by Dons_1988 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Are you entirely sure? There was a formal vote - which altered the rules so that it gave the SPFL board the power to end the season early (and actually ended it for tiers 2-4), and then there was a consultation in May prior to the board doing the actual ending of the season, which looks more like the 'courtesy' vote. Maybe the SPFL had exceptional powers before the April vote to unilaterally end the season and ignore rule C14 about how a season is 38 games, but I doubt it. It's not obvious from my very brief skim of the articles of association. I assumed 103.9 from the Articles gave them the power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, The DA said: I assumed 103.9 from the Articles gave them the power. Fair enough - though changing the rules via a General Meeting or Written Resolution would probably be the manner provided for the current situation within the rules, and only if those fail to cope with the situation would your clause fit in. I reckon your clause would be more amenable to being overturned by a Judicial Review or Court of Arbitration if they picked that option first. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 What time are they back today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers2017 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, DA Baracus said: What time are they back today? I think it's on just now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Gorgie greatness said: Simply Partick aren’t in the top league. If all 42 had voted against ending the league we would be doing what all the other leagues are doing now which is finishing the leagues. How many times! No we wouldn’t. We can’t play football until 1st August at the earliest at the behest of the government. UEFA need the names of each country’s Champions League and Europa League representatives by 3rd August, meaning that if we did restart last season’s Premiership on 1st August Scotland would have no representatives in Europe next season. This is why Ireland had to back down on trying to finish last season. It couldn’t be done. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: It did, it gave the SPFL board the power to call the Premiership. You’re playing with words here. The reality is that the SPFL said that they wouldn’t call the Premiership without a vote by the 12 clubs, which is what happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rovers2017 said: I think it's on just now. Aye, it's started 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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