geddyalexneil Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 That actually sounds OK. Although I would be interested to know from those in the lower divisions how they feel about a North and a South league. Would most fans that attend the leagues that would be affected feel it is better, ie less travelling possibly bigger crowds, or that the most fun games are the far away ones. I personally think consideration should be given to those in lower divisions as to what is best for them rather than the top divisions clubs just riding roughshod all over them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Well they've stated for years they are happy with national leagues, so regionalisation can get in the bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 At this point I'd take anything over a 14 team league next season. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 30/03/2020 at 19:57, The Reverend said: This was posted earlier on the St. Mirren forum: This is just that stupid powerpoint making the rounds before that I'm pretty sure was already rejected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: This is just that stupid powerpoint making the rounds before that I'm pretty sure was already rejected. Yup, it was a proposal that was comfortably laughed out years ago. There wont be any league reconstruction, I'm pretty confident of that. They're waiting until the end of June to try and finalise this season, then theyll vote to either void the season or end it where it is. Anything else is just over active imaginations thinking things up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Yup, it was a proposal that was comfortably laughed out years ago. There wont be any league reconstruction, I'm pretty confident of that. They're waiting until the end of June to try and finalise this season, then theyll vote to either void the season or end it where it is. Anything else is just over active imaginations thinking things up. My understanding is that it would potentially be extremely costly to void the league, as it would technically void all the sponsorship, TV contracts, etc. I don't think it's fair to finalise the season with the current standings, either. It really is a very difficult situation, and I'm not really sure what the best solution is. Could this season be finished in August/September? Then scrap the winter break, the league cup and abolish replays in the Scottish Cup? Edited March 31, 2020 by The Reverend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 57 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Yup, it was a proposal that was comfortably laughed out years ago. There wont be any league reconstruction, I'm pretty confident of that. They're waiting until the end of June to try and finalise this season, then theyll vote to either void the season or end it where it is. Anything else is just over active imaginations thinking things up. That'll be us getting reconstruction then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 hours ago, geddyalexneil said: That actually sounds OK. Although I would be interested to know from those in the lower divisions how they feel about a North and a South league. Would most fans that attend the leagues that would be affected feel it is better, ie less travelling possibly bigger crowds, or that the most fun games are the far away ones. I personally think consideration should be given to those in lower divisions as to what is best for them rather than the top divisions clubs just riding roughshod all over them. Pretty sure most fans of lower league clubs don't want regional leagues. It's usually almost always fans of clubs who wouldn't be affected who call for regionalisation. I think the feeling is that it would get boring very quickly and derbies would quickly those their appeal. 9 hours ago, The Reverend said: My understanding is that it would potentially be extremely costly to void the league, as it would technically void all the sponsorship, TV contracts, etc. I don't think it's fair to finalise the season with the current standings, either. It really is a very difficult situation, and I'm not really sure what the best solution is. Could this season be finished in August/September? Then scrap the winter break, the league cup and abolish replays in the Scottish Cup? How would it void sponsorship and TV contracts? What do these contracts actually say about such a scenario? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The current setup works fine. Would there be any talk of reconstruction if this virus wasn't around? The motivation is to keep Hearts up. Would there be calls for reconstruction if Hamilton were bottom? I do not think so. Declare on current positions if the League cannot be finished (my preference is to finish it) but not reconstruction. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munoz Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18348625.stewart-gilmour-expanding-premiership-14-clubs-just-save-hearts-joke/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Why would it be saving Hearts? Seems a strange line for Gilmour to take. An Understandable one but one you'd reckon he'd have been better not saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Ton Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dele said: Seems a strange line for Gilmour to take. An Understandable one but one you'd reckon he'd have been better not saying. Not really the case. This is a fair comment to make (even for a St M man) The fairytale suspension thinking we could restart at end April now May now more like October leaves us with two simple options finish when able and have a shortened 20/21 season, maybe a 2021 Jan season or unable to play before June 2020 finish it then and play the next season. While not happy with awarding on present standings it is the only reasonable solution with some sort of compensation for teams who are relegated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Paisley Ton said: While not happy with awarding on present standings it is the only reasonable solution with some sort of compensation for teams who are relegated. How is that fair on the clubs in the league they're relegated into? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Why would it be saving Hearts? Seems a strange line for Gilmour to take. An Understandable one but one you'd reckon he'd have been better not saying. Why? He is absolutely spot on.Changing the league set up to prevent an 'unfair' relegation is saving the bottom club. If it was County, Livi, Accies or Saints sitting 12th there is no way league construction would even be mentioned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Ton Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dele said: How is that fair on the clubs in the league they're relegated into? Don't see your issue. I am happy to lose D Unt and get Hearts. Biggest loss will be teams denied opportunity of getting promoted. But this is what we face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 How is that fair on the clubs in the league they're relegated into? It's not. The relegated club get a 500k parachute payment the first season then 250k the following season. That should be it. This is unprecedented, not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome. Celtic have been the best team so should be champions, up until now Hearts have been absolutely chronic and sit bottom of the league. United have romped the 2nd tier and would have been promoted. Would Dundee, Ayr, ICT, Morton, Arbroath all fancy themselves to get into the playoffs? Why should ICT get promoted if the league is extended? They have been the 2nd best team up until now but that's not to say they would have finished 2nd. Going to be a lot of seethe whatever the outcome is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Going to be a lot of seethe whatever the outcome is. Absolutely. I've always said Celtic, and United should get the leagues, but not be promoted as there is no clear relegation candidate. The play offs also skwiff everything. Then there's the top of league 1, seperated by a point. Like you say : a lot of seethe. Call them champions if you want or null and void it altogether. The only way, I see, is to start afresh same leagues next season. Edited April 1, 2020 by Dele 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Finish the leagues when we can, then we can get all this reconstruction shite in the bin where it belongs. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Rushing through some botched league reconstruction as a reaction to this crisis would definitely, definitely end well. If it’s not possible to finish the season then end it as it is, European places based on current standings, Celtic champions etc. Promotion/relegation is tough one, I’d be inclined to cancel it for this season and leave leagues as they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The motivation for a reconstruction is not "just to save Hearts", it's an attempt to get out of this mess in a way that doesn't negatively impact on clubs. It's as much about Dundee United, Partick Thistle, Queen of the South, Falkirk, Raith and many others. That's not to say I agree with doing it, because I don't, and I don't actually think the document was genuine (or at least I don't think it was put out there by anyone on the SPFL board, or was being seriously considered by them). However, the idea that it's purely for Hearts' benefit is absolute nonsense from Stewart Gilmour, which shouldn't be a surprise because that is more or less his default setting. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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