djchapsticks Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: I’m pissed off we are not going for nearly enough. Everybody seems to assume it would be a one season stay in the Championship - which is arrogant nonsense. We’d be odds-on to bounce back up, but so what? It’s probably too remote for the courts to consider, but we should have been calculating for a second year down there. Fuuuuck offfffffff!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coprolite Posted June 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: 1. It wouldn’t bankrupt the SPFL. They could pay it up over time - like a criminal with a fine. 2. This is 2020 not the1870s. These are businesses. That sort of anti-competitive cartel planning would get a bigger legal kicking. When people and businesses and organisations lash out with threats, it’s usually because they are not very confident with their case. It's good that you can admit this. Many jambos seem to think there is some substance behind Hearts case. 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: Fuuuuck offfffffff!!! My, my. On edge? Some teams do seem to be gagging for the supply of their next SKY fix. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Last week ;there will be nae court case hearts are using it as a leaning on tool. this week ; toys flying everywhere let’s expel them reap / sow -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Insaintee said: They stated quite clearly that they were not going to challenge the distribution of prize money, which means they are not challanging finishing the league (which is just as well) what they are challanging is relegation on the basis of PPG. Which would mean Dundee United and Raith Rover not getting promioted. I'm actually ok with this up to a point. f**k Dundee United or f**k Hearts, it's a close call. I’m not sure that one has to follow the other. I think that was the point argued around Dundeegate time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: My, my. On edge? Some teams do seem to be gagging for the supply of their next SKY fix. On edge? Not even the slightest bit. Laughing at the mere suggestion that you could try and lobby for money in the event you continue to be shite. It's frankly hilarious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Last week ;there will be nae court case hearts are using it as a leaning on tool. this week ; toys flying everywhere let’s expel them reap / sow This time last week, Hearts fans on here (whither "Stanislav Petrov"?) were confidently predicting that the 14-10-10-10 vote would pass. Or, in the unlikely event that it didn't, Neil Doncaster would use his "executive powers" to impose it on the other clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Out of a possible 90 points Hearts got 23... And have the second worse goal difference. They would have required Accies to drop five more points than them, or four dropped and to ship more goals than them.. There were 24 points left to play for. It just wasn’t going to happen. At best they’d have been in a playoff which given their form and the absolute shambles that is their back room, they were going down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Green Day said: The Hearts and PTFC case has two parts - firstly that they are seeking to have their relegation overturned, and if that fails to seek compensation of the order of this fairy story £10m. If they fail to have the relegation overturned (lets say because the rules they both signed up to as members of the SPFL allow this to happen), does it even look remotely likely that the continued case will then order punitive damages for exactly the same situation? It is blatantly obvious that both clubs are simply looking for a few quid to disappear, and in Hearts case to appease the moonhowlers among your support - if the SPFL rules had been breached then this case would have been lodged months ago. Exactly. If the first part of their case, overturning relegation, fails, then so does the second and for the same reason. Hearts and Thistle can hardly ask for compensation for something a judge has just said is OK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The DA said: Exactly. If the first part of their case, overturning relegation, fails, then so does the second and for the same reason. Hearts and Thistle can hardly ask for compensation for something a judge has just said is OK. Nah - it does make sense. The idea behind the alternatives is that if the judge rules that Hearts and Thistle were legally wronged, then you still need to come up with the way of redressing that wrong. Hearts and Thistle have said they'd prefer to have relegation overturned, but, failing that, they'd take £squillions as competition. It might be infeasible or legally unsound for the court to force an unrelegation. Edited June 18, 2020 by Aim Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: But that can't happen if they're"expelled from the senior leagues". If only they could be. They can be, now. It's in both SPFL and UEFA rules that clubs who take their league authority to civil court, to contest a decision the league authority made while following their own rules, is a breach and must be punished. Dutch sides didnt go to civil court, and French clubs didnt break rules as the French league didnt follow their own rules when deciding to end the season, so those examples aren't relevant to this. As far as I can tell, theres not a single country in Europe with an example of this happening, so I've no idea what happens now, especially if Hearts/Partick lose their case. Edited June 18, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Absolute nonsense that Hearts should receive additional compensation if they fail to reach the Premiership at the first attempt. That implies that Hearts belong in the top division regardless of results. Where does this kind of thinking end? Should Hearts have a relegation free season, regardless of results, when they return to the Premiership, just so they can establish themselves? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: £10m is just posturing. They're hoping for the SPFL to re-negotiate at a much lower figure. Burns: I'm going to write a figure on this piece of paper. It's not quite as large as the last one, but I think you'll find it fair. Hutz: I think we should take it. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, stressball said: Out of a possible 90 points Hearts got 23... And have the second worse goal difference. They would have required Accies to drop five more points than them, or four dropped and to ship more goals than them.. There were 24 points left to play for. It just wasn’t going to happen. At best they’d have been in a playoff which given their form and the absolute shambles that is their back room, they were going down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: I’m not sure that one has to follow the other. I think that was the point argued around Dundeegate time It pretty much does, you cant award money without accepting final placings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Last week ;there will be nae court case hearts are using it as a leaning on tool. this week ; toys flying everywhere let’s expel them reap / sow To all the Hearts fans here, I have a question. Do any of you know of any other Hearts fans who think this court case might be a bad idea ? The wording of yesterday's statement makes it clear that there is no realistic expectation within Tynecastle of relegation being overturned, so this is just about financial compensation. The obvious downside for Hearts and Thistle being that, should they lose in court, the other clubs in the SPFL appear to have the power to terminate their membership. Whether that would ever happen is open to debate but, let's be honest here, Mrs Budge's approach has won her a lot of enemies within Scottish football. So it's all about risk and reward. Is it worth gambling Hearts future existence for the chance of a few £millions ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Is the losing side likely to be liable for the other's legal fees? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: They can be, now. It's in both SPFL and UEFA rules that clubs who take their league authority to civil court, to contest a decision the league authority made while following their own rules, is a breach and must be punished. Dutch sides didnt go to civil court, and French clubs didnt break rules as the French league didnt follow their own rules when deciding to end the season, so those examples aren't relevant to this. As far as I can tell, theres not a single country in Europe with an example of this happening, so I've no idea what happens now, especially if Hearts/Partick lose their case. That wasn't what I was getting at. If they are "expelled from the senior leagues" they can't end up in the Lowland League, as that's a senior league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wilbur said: To all the Hearts fans here, I have a question. Do any of you know of any other Hearts fans who think this court case might be a bad idea ? The wording of yesterday's statement makes it clear that there is no realistic expectation within Tynecastle of relegation being overturned, so this is just about financial compensation. The obvious downside for Hearts and Thistle being that, should they lose in court, the other clubs in the SPFL appear to have the power to terminate their membership. Whether that would ever happen is open to debate but, let's be honest here, Mrs Budge's approach has won her a lot of enemies within Scottish football. So it's all about risk and reward. Is it worth gambling Hearts future existence for the chance of a few £millions ? Funny as f**k that you think you can expel us get yer cash oot -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: They can be, now. It's in both SPFL and UEFA rules that clubs who take their league authority to civil court, to contest a decision the league authority made while following their own rules, is a breach and must be punished. I'm not so sure, at least at the SPFL end. It's SFA rules that have the explicit 'go via arbitration or you'll get clobbered' language - but this is likely not an SFA member dispute since I don't think the SPFL is an SFA member. The SPFL rules, from I42 onward, seem to use something called 'Expert Determination' which doesn't come with a set of punishments and does make reference to Scots Law and the Court of Session. They might be technically within their rights to use the courts like this, though I can't imagine this will end up without consequences for them somehow... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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