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2 hours ago, kingjoey said:

A superb interview with Jim McInally on the BBC Scotland website. Everything he says is total sense. I’ve never really understood either why, in all the reconstruction plans mooted, it’s always three leagues. One of the most common reasons given for reconstruction is that nobody should be worse off. So Hearts don’t get relegated , Thistle don’t get relegated and Stranraer don’t get relegated. But in a three league reconstruction Cove Rangers are worse off, because they remain in the bottom league. If four leagues were put in place then Cove would be promoted to League 1 and would not be worse off. Having said all that, reconstruction get get in a bin somewhere.

Cove would go into the third tier of Scottish football, same as they will without reconstruction so how are they worse off? 

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13 minutes ago, Aylo vanal said:

Cove would go into the third tier of Scottish football, same as they will without reconstruction so how are they worse off? 

If reconstruction goes through Cove are swapping  Falkirk, Airdrie, Partick, Montrose and East fife and Dumbarton for the same division they just won + Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer.  It’s not a good deal.

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1 minute ago, parsforlife said:

If reconstruction goes through Cove are swapping  Falkirk, Airdrie, Partick, Montrose and East fife and Dumbarton for the same division they just won + Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer.  It’s not a good deal.

 

10 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

If reconstruction goes through Cove are swapping  Falkirk, Airdrie, Partick, Montrose and East fife and Dumbarton for the same division they just won + Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer.  It’s not a good deal.

To paraphrase Kryten, I realise I'm quoting the same quote twice, but I thought it was such an important point it was worth quoting twice

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43 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

If reconstruction goes through Cove are swapping  Falkirk, Airdrie, Partick, Montrose and East fife and Dumbarton for the same division they just won + Clyde, Peterhead, Forfar and Stranraer.  It’s not a good deal.

Depends on the perspective, they have less competition to stop them getting to the second tier. I'm sure they'll miss the crowds from East fife and Dumbarton 😂

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8 minutes ago, Lofarl said:

This shite wont be over till we get the fixtures list eh.

I don't think they will put fixtures out until phase 2 of the lockdown exit, i.e. when there is a more realistic prospect of games being played. That isn't due to happen until the 18th.

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Rangers and Celtic being allowed to register Colt teams just means that they will hoard promising youngsters into their set up at an even greater extent than they do now, under the pretence that the Colt side offers a greater chance for them to break into the first team. There’s no need to give examples I’m sure most clubs in Scotland could point towards a player hoovered up by the Old Firm who’s career only went downhill afterwards. Jake Hastie from Motherwell is a recent one that springs to mind, I have no doubt he would be advancing more as a footballer had he stayed where he was. 
 

Looking back at the Challenge Cup games involving OF colts, they hardly set the competition on fire and the ‘bumper crowds’ following them to far flung sea side towns never materialised in the way some people had imagined. I’m sure if they were to enter the league system there would be an initial interest from their fans but I imagine that would quickly tail away, but we would still get pundits pointing to the initial honeymoon period4 or 5 years down the line as evidence of success. It’s a terrible idea that I initially thought would be laughed out of every boardroom, but reading the Brora chairman’s views worried me, I don’t think he’s the only one thinking like that. 

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A superb interview with Jim McInally on the BBC Scotland website. Everything he says is total sense. I’ve never really understood either why, in all the reconstruction plans mooted, it’s always three leagues. One of the most common reasons given for reconstruction is that nobody should be worse off. So Hearts don’t get relegated , Thistle don’t get relegated and Stranraer don’t get relegated. But in a three league reconstruction Cove Rangers are worse off, because they remain in the bottom league. If four leagues were put in place then Cove would be promoted to League 1 and would not be worse off. Having said all that, reconstruction get get in a bin somewhere.

 

The “nobody should be worse off” argument was for 14-10-10-10 that was unsurprisingly heavily favoured by Hearts, Thistle, Inverness and probably the likes of Dundee United

 

14-14-14 on the other hand was insisted on by league 2 clubs

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52439324

 

It’s not unreasonable to say that it leaves 4 teams worse off as they move from 3rd league of 4 to 3rd league of 3 but it would also benefit 6 teams who move from the 3rd league of 4 to 2nd of 4 so it could get 60% support and hence be notionally “democratic”.

 

The 4th tier get promotions all round. Shut the trap door for a summer and get bigger fixtures so If you look at the bottom two divisions as a whole that could rise to 80%.

 

 

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Also there is no reason this should be exclusively Rangers and Celtic getting the opportunity to field Colt teams, it’s another nail in the ‘We really despise each other’ coffin when they actively work together on so much... Edit - I’m aware they are the only teams with the finances to be able to do it, but the invitation should still be there imo. 
 

The actual Rangers first team were in the bottom tier of Scottish football within the last 10 years, the division they are desperate to get a Colt side into now. It’s hardly a glowing endorsement for the clubs youth system that they didn’t have the confidence to use their young players at that time, instead opting to sign Premiership standard players on ridiculous wages to compete against guys that trained twice a week and worked full time jobs as joiners, plumbers and postmen. Clubs like Hamilton, St. Mirren and Motherwell seem to be doing something right with their youth systems, at a fraction of the cost of the OF, if they were serious that this was about developing Scottish players to play for the national team then these clubs should be brought to the table as well. 

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