Popular Post Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 If we reconstruct to a 14 team top flight it should be Dundee and Inverness that are promoted since they missed out on the chance of playoffs. Hearts should still be in the Championship. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Indeed Clubs who may or may not be able to play are going to be very reluctant to admit that there's any doubt. The 14 team top flight has the advantage of rewarding teams who looked set to finish top without punishing clubs who might have got off the bottom but if there's only 20 teams available then it would need to be 10-10 Where would AB want Hearts in that set up and how much would she be prepared to pay? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyMirren Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Green Day said: The open letter to Scottish football in full: Dear all, We understand that 2020 is a year that will long be remembered for the tragedy and loss of life that has afflicted this country, as almost every across the world. Our organisations pay tribute to the frontline workers who have given everything to help give others hope; we mourn with those who’s loves ones are now gone. To talk about Scottish football at this time feels very difficult, and it is for that reason we’ve chosen not to comment publicly, until now. It isn’t a surprise that as Heart of Midlothian supporters we feel strongly that the club currently faces demotion to the Scottish Championship. But, as football supporters and in effect the largest sponsors of our game, we call on everyone in the game to come together and ensure that the game we all love survives long beyond Covid-19. To that effect we call Scottish football, and in particular the SPFL to take a number of steps: - We believe that the SPFL executive (both chief executive and independent directors) should be taking ownership and leading clubs through this time; they should be the arbiter of fairness and genuine guardians of the game - We do not believe it is for clubs such as ours to be heading up our ‘own’ reconstruction talks – because when discussions are framed in this way, they will fail, because the vast majority of clubs only consider themselves, and consider Heart of Midlothian to be doing likewise. When this happens, rancour will continue, and our game will continue to suffer - Club leaders would be wise to consider carefully public pronouncements right now, because words last long, even if it might appear that cheap throwaway remarks are simply tomorrow’s chip paper. As custodians they bear an enormous responsibility, too - We call upon the SPFL to formally ask every member club to submit assurances that they can start and finish season 2020/2021, by which we mean participating in: 1. A full league programme (i.e. at least 36 games before play-offs, and 38 in the Premiership) 2. The Scottish League Cup 3. The Challenge Cup (where clubs play in the Championship, League 1 and League 2) - Clubs that can formally declare that they are in a strong enough financial position to fulfil that obligation should be allowed to do so at the earliest opportunity when the Scottish Government permits - Only then, can the set-up of any league structure be decided upon, depending on how many clubs can make that unequivocal commitment - Clubs who cannot should be allowed to “mothball” without incurring any form of further punishment, until fans are allowed back into stadiums and we can resume something resembling normal match day experiences. These seem pragmatic next steps, but beyond that as supporters we believe our view should be heard (and we don’t believe we are alone for the longer term). Once there is some normality in the world, we believe a complete revamp of how our governing body is structured and operates is essential. We suggest an independent support is secured to look at the current set up of the SPFL, with the power to drive significant change such as: - Robust, transparent governance - Clear, focused plans which are supported by key metrics to determine success (or otherwise) - A board and executive which does not include club representation and operates independently against the above clear, focused plans – and which is judged robustly by shareholders (i.e. the clubs on the success of their delivery) Ann Budge quite rightly talks about Heart of Midlothian becoming ‘fan owned, but not fan run.’ On that same basis we believe the SPFL (as a limited company) should be ‘club owned, but not club run’. We believe that the biggest issue at this time is that the clubs run the SPFL, enabling an easy get out for the SPFL executive and its board. How often do we hear the phrase, “we’re a members’ organisation?” This means politics and self-interest becomes a huge part of managing the SPFL, rather than looking outwardly, seeking new ideas, engaging with supporters and creating an amazing league competition, which are celebrated by supporters, broadcasters and sponsors. This is probably the hardest period our game has experienced and the very existence of a lot of clubs is in danger. We need positive action now to safeguard that future for all and move forward. Heart of Midlothian means the world to us, but this is far bigger than anything down at Tynecastle Park right now. Yours in sport, Stevie Kilgour, secretary of Federation Hearts Supporters' Club, & Bill Alves, chairman of Heart of Midlothian Shareholders Association More last minute grasping at straws from the maroon community. They’re becoming almost as embarrassing as their chairman! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Snifter Pee Rot said: If these clubs are going to go under they should get interest free loans from the SFA, not bribes from Bailout Gifford via Tynecastle. The same SFA who bid a quid on hampdump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 @topcat(The most tip top)I can see why you would defend it, but that letter has a number of rather silly facets. The most obvious has been flagged up already - asking clubs to guarantee that they are going to be able to fulfil fixtures in the coming season is hilarious. The subtext is "we have some geezer from Baillie Gifford who can spunk cash left right and centre so we can survive through the next Ice Age". So, where are we then? As well as awarding Hearts a place in the Premiership based on their cockroach like ability not to die, are we also to award Hearts the title in (say) 2022 as nobody else can 100% guarantee that they have a backer willing so put in <insert whatever figure idiot Jambo shareholder guys come up with> ?? Its ludicrous but I am not really surprised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, renton said: Also note that while the letter claims that clubs choosing to mothball should not be subjected to punishment the simple fact is that such clubs would be rejoining an already formed league, and almost certainly being 'fitted in' below the sides that had just finished the latest league season. Such a two speed recovery inevitably means that some clubs end up being leap frogged from their current positions and rejoining at a lower step. That is surely punishment of the same sort as Hearts are currently complaining about? Good point but if they're clubs that are realistically not going to be able to participate in the whole season then they're going to run up loads of 3-0 default defeats which isn't a great outcome for them either but is also poor outcome for the teams who go without fixtures. And if we know in advance who mothballed there's more chance of coming up with a better solution than that Obviously I'd rather Hearts were playing Aberdeen than Arbroath next season but not actually playing Arbroath would be worse still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 In fact that letter opens up all sorts of other nonsense - we could end up with a league consisting of ; Celtic - loadsacash in the bank Rangers - some radge will give them money Aberdeen - Dave Cormack cash Hibs - Rons dough Hearts - Andersons cash Partick - the Euromillions legacy Cove Rangers - cash rich backers Have I missed anyone? Sorry if I have, its not a serious suggestion but its about as sensible as "prove you have the cash to play 36 games". Fannies 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Good point but if they're clubs that are realistically not going to be able to participate in the whole season then they're going to run up loads of 3-0 default defeats which isn't a great outcome for them either but is also poor outcome for the teams who go without fixtures. And if we know in advance who mothballed there's more chance of coming up with a better solution than that Obviously I'd rather Hearts were playing Aberdeen than Arbroath next season but not actually playing Arbroath would be worse still. How can anyone know they'll have to mothball when nobody knows what the situation will be at the end of the summer? Or even if BCD will be allowed if things are still bad. They've started postponing games in Belarus because of players getting sick, and likely spreading it to their families. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Green Day said: @topcat(The most tip top)I can see why you would defend it, but that letter has a number of rather silly facets. The most obvious has been flagged up already - asking clubs to guarantee that they are going to be able to fulfil fixtures in the coming season is hilarious. The subtext is "we have some geezer from Baillie Gifford who can spunk cash left right and centre so we can survive through the next Ice Age". So, where are we then? As well as awarding Hearts a place in the Premiership based on their cockroach like ability not to die, are we also to award Hearts the title in (say) 2022 as nobody else can 100% guarantee that they have a backer willing so put in <insert whatever figure idiot Jambo shareholder guys come up with> ?? Its ludicrous but I am not really surprised. I should point out that I don't endorse it or Budge's proposal unconditionally But it is asking questions that have been conspicuously wilfully ignored for months. It's a big walk from that letter to demanding the 2022 title. If a spurious interpretation is pursued to an illogical conclusion then of course the result is ludicrous and if you did the pursuing then you shouldn't be surprised. Edited June 4, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I am sure that Doncaster said at weekend he was speaking to clubs this week to check availability to train/play etc so hearts fans should hear in due course... Also the top league only starting early is a government rule as part of a stepped easing of lockdown, so if hearts are in championship and want to take court action they should take against the government for preventing trade and not the SPFL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 If Budge hands over all the cash Mr Anderson gave her (£10m plus the £2m bribe that same is touting) it might be a go'er. But just £2m? I know Scottish fitba is tinpot, but is it really that tinpot? Fact is Hearts were juiced by Anderson's millions and were still bottom of the league rank rotten. Doon you go and try and learn some lessons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Green Day said: In fact that letter opens up all sorts of other nonsense - we could end up with a league consisting of ; Celtic - loadsacash in the bank Rangers - some radge will give them money Aberdeen - Dave Cormack cash Hibs - Rons dough Hearts - Andersons cash Partick - the Euromillions legacy Cove Rangers - cash rich backers Have I missed anyone? Sorry if I have, its not a serious suggestion but its about as sensible as "prove you have the cash to play 36 games". Fannies Dundee don't need to prove they have the cash. Whether we have it or we don't, either way, we definitely have it. It's just what we do. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Green Day said: In fact that letter opens up all sorts of other nonsense - we could end up with a league consisting of ; Celtic - loadsacash in the bank Rangers - some radge will give them money Aberdeen - Dave Cormack cash Hibs - Rons dough Hearts - Andersons cash Partick - the Euromillions legacy Cove Rangers - cash rich backers Have I missed anyone? Sorry if I have, its not a serious suggestion but its about as sensible as "prove you have the cash to play 36 games". Fannies The smaller top flight teams get a large chunk of their income from TV money they'll be fine. (insert tired joke about St Johnstone playing in front of empty stands here). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Green Day said: @topcat(The most tip top)I can see why you would defend it, but that letter has a number of rather silly facets. The most obvious has been flagged up already - asking clubs to guarantee that they are going to be able to fulfil fixtures in the coming season is hilarious. The subtext is "we have some geezer from Baillie Gifford who can spunk cash left right and centre so we can survive through the next Ice Age". So, where are we then? As well as awarding Hearts a place in the Premiership based on their cockroach like ability not to die, are we also to award Hearts the title in (say) 2022 as nobody else can 100% guarantee that they have a backer willing so put in <insert whatever figure idiot Jambo shareholder guys come up with> ?? Its ludicrous but I am not really surprised. Your a bitter man GD you’ll likely need therapy if this goes through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Snifter Pee Rot said: If Budge hands over all the cash Mr Anderson gave her (£10m plus the £2m bribe that same is touting) it might be a go'er. But just £2m? I know Scottish fitba is tinpot, but is it really that tinpot? Fact is Hearts were juiced by Anderson's millions and were still bottom of the league rank rotten. Doon you go and try and learn some lessons. Are Hibs going to accept their tinpot £50k share - as opposed to leaving it with the SPFL to give to Div 2 teams? Please tell me they are going to pocket it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Good point but if they're clubs that are realistically not going to be able to participate in the whole season then they're going to run up loads of 3-0 default defeats which isn't a great outcome for them either but is also poor outcome for the teams who go without fixtures. And if we know in advance who mothballed there's more chance of coming up with a better solution than that Obviously I'd rather Hearts were playing Aberdeen than Arbroath next season but not actually playing Arbroath would be worse still. 3 or 4 Premier teams will probably have the game plan of doing and saying whatever is necessary to be able start the Premier season and if there are no crowds allowed by Sept, then hold a gun to the SPFL's head and demand loans/grants/cross-subsidy in order to avoid the farce of so many unfulfilled fixtures and the knock-on risk to the finances of other teams. Red dots here, please, usual suspects >>>>>>>>>> Edited June 4, 2020 by Pet Jeden -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: then hold a gun to the SPFL's head and demand loans/grants/cross-subsidy Sounds a lot like Hearts right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 The Federation of Hearts Supporters Clubs and the Heart of Midlothian Shareholders Association have penned an open letter to Scottish football, criticising the SPFL. The groups slammed the lack of leadership shown by the league body, and ask why it’s been left t Ann Budge to find a solution to the current situation caused by the coronavirus pandemic. The Tynecastle chief has submitted a league reconstruction proposal, which if unsuccessful will see Hearts playing the Championship next season. Separately, she has also brought wealthy backer James Anderson to the table, who’s financial support will be key in enabling matches in all divisions to take place behind closed doors. But frustrations remain that the decision taken to demote Hearts after the season was called early and the way the SPFL has conducted itself throughout the process, and the organisations have called for the governance of the league to be examined. You can read the full letter bellow: WTF..!! Did anyone spell check this shit...LOOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorky Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) I’m just tired of this dragging on, not helping anyone. Get the vote through on the proposal (which will be a no) then let’s just move on. If Hearts still want to go down the destructive legal route then get on with it, or do the sensible thing and put that energy into returning to the top flight which we all know they will do with their resources. It’s all just turned into too much of a circus. Edited June 4, 2020 by Yorky 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Morton reckon the Championship will be up and running in October according to BBC news. Gives Herts time to recruit a decent manager and players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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