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2 minutes ago, AberdeenHibee said:

I hope every club who Hearts organise a boycott of returns the favour.  They will soon realise they are getting 0 away attendance for all of their home matches, rather than two a season which they will inflict on other clubs. Morons.

Hearts fans wont be boycotting away grounds.

They will see this as an opportunity to visit some grounds they have never seen   not seen for decades    not visited for a couple of seasons.

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5 minutes ago, JamesM82 said:

I think some Hearts fans are guilty of thinking that the games where they do take a big away support are the rule, rather than the exception. There will be periods where they do take consistently big supports (i.e. if they're doing well), but these don't happen as often as you might think. 

Hibs fans are also guilty of this TBF. i.e. occasionally taking a big support, and confusing this with having a large base level of away support. Aberdeen fans in particular also travel better; Hibs and Hearts seem to get a nosebleed past Perth / Dundee.

Without wanting to get into a crowd wanking debate, all 3 clubs (IMO) have a relatively similar level of support.

We have a large support base in Edinburgh/Glasgow which boosts our away support but probably also hinders our home crowds, so no surprises that Hibs/Hearts home attendances are higher than ours and we outdo you more consistently in away supports.

As I said before, we're all susceptible to fluctuations based on form, travel, potential for a massive piss up etc.

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13 minutes ago, Green Day said:

I thought that rather childlike type of mental gymnastics was only being played on Kickback?

My apologies if you've misunderstood me, I was being serious. 

Perhaps I could change the billionaire to millionaire. Is that more manageable for you?

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If only we hadn't been in such rush to declare celtic champions, at the cost of other teams league places and much needed finances.  After all if we can still play Scottish cup games....

 

We told how, as part of the discussions, Sky could be willing to write off a potential £5.5m claw back claim for the failure to complete the 2019/20 campaign - with Doncaster  attempting to negotiate a greatly reduced penalty sum of £1.5m, with payments spread over the next five years

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1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

How will that work for clubs who already have a live streaming service?

I'm aware UK viewers will now get to watch matches live, but some folk (myself) have already subscribed to Saints TV for the year.

Club TV channels currently can't show uk games (proxy locations can get around this), ideally this could be dropped until it's safe but I've a feeling that sky will want to control it and fcuk clubs over.

 

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If only we hadn't been in such rush to declare celtic champions, at the cost of other teams league places and much needed finances.  After all if we can still play Scottish cup games....
 
We told how, as part of the discussions, Sky could be willing to write off a potential £5.5m claw back claim for the failure to complete the 2019/20 campaign - with Doncaster  attempting to negotiate a greatly reduced penalty sum of £1.5m, with payments spread over the next five years

We should have written off £150m over five years to avoid a penalty clause of as little as £1.5m?

And are you proposing playing the 2019/20 Premiership season during the 2020/21 season, which is what they're planning to do with the Scottish Cup? Can you see any issue with that?

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13 minutes ago, bennett said:

If only we hadn't been in such rush to declare celtic champions, at the cost of other teams league places and much needed finances.  After all if we can still play Scottish cup games....

 

We told how, as part of the discussions, Sky could be willing to write off a potential £5.5m claw back claim for the failure to complete the 2019/20 campaign - with Doncaster  attempting to negotiate a greatly reduced penalty sum of £1.5m, with payments spread over the next five years

This is a dumb troll, even for you

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2 hours ago, Gorgie greatness said:

Just as an example of the protective power dungcaster puts into tv contracts. the last game that never was, was changed to a Friday night at short notice for the cameras. Not a problem of Aberdeen’s making but many Jambos would have had the train booked & possibly accommodation for the original date. 

Protect the Hearts support myth at all costs.

You lot really are the crowd w****r's crowd wankers.

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1 hour ago, Mr. X said:

That's one narrative if it feeds your hatred of Ann Budge.

The other narrative being that the money would be nowhere near Scottish Football if it wasn't for Ann Budge. 

Perhaps it's time for other Football Directors to bring some billionaire philanthropists to the table? 

They should be publicly thanking Ann for that. 
 

But yeah, let some other billionaire philanthropist step in. 

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I do thank Ann Budge.  Not only has she oversaw a terrible hearts team and squandered your money on a still unfinished stand.  She’s provided much hilarity in her mewling about reconstruction.  Yet to top this off.  Not only are clubs rejecting her pathetic attempt to stay in the top league, she’s actually found someone to pay us to do so.

 

So with all sincerity.  Thank you Ann Budge.

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31 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


We should have written off £150m over five years to avoid a penalty clause of as little as £1.5m?

And are you proposing playing the 2019/20 Premiership season during the 2020/21 season, which is what they're planning to do with the Scottish Cup? Can you see any issue with that?

No one would have written off £150m, you know this, I know this, everyone knows this. But you do love playing up to your online persona...

 

It could've been fitted in, the epl sides are managing but you already knew that. 

 

29 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

This is a dumb troll, even for you

What is the point of hurtful comments like this, have you any idea how much damage they can do.

You've left me in pieces here.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Miko’s Dive said:

 

But yeah, let some other billionaire philanthropist step in. 

A threat as empty as your head.

Hearts fans throughout this:

"DO THAT AND WE'LL TAKE YOU TO COURT!

"DO THAT AND WE'LL BOYCOTT ALL YOUR GROUNDS"

"DO THAT AND OUR INVESTOR WILL WALK AWAY"

And not one person have given a single f**k.

You've got no power here lads.

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7 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

A threat as empty as your head.

Hearts fans throughout this:

"DO THAT AND WE'LL TAKE YOU TO COURT!

"DO THAT AND WE'LL BOYCOTT ALL YOUR GROUNDS"

"DO THAT AND OUR INVESTOR WILL WALK AWAY"

And not one person have given a single f**k.

You've got no power here lads.

SINK US AND WE'LL SINK YOU.

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13 minutes ago, bennett said:

No one would have written off £150m, you know this, I know this, everyone knows this. But you do love playing up to your online persona...

 

It could've been fitted in, the epl sides are managing but you already knew that. 

 

 

 

 

There would be every chance sky sports might have. They are losing money every month so it would have been an easy get out for them if we couldn’t provide what we said we would have. 

The Latter part regarding the €PL, its so obvious why we couldn’t do what they are doing right now and I don’t even think you are that thick to not understand this.  

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:


We should have written off £150m over five years to avoid a penalty clause of as little as £1.5m?

And are you proposing playing the 2019/20 Premiership season during the 2020/21 season, which is what they're planning to do with the Scottish Cup? Can you see any issue with that?

Craig - I think worries about Killie's financial situation are clouding your otherwise logical thinking. The issue is not £1.5m versus £150m. That's a very deliberate misrepresentation you're making there.

Year's 2 onwards of the SKY deal will either be for normal football, or the whole game is goosed anyway - the biggest clubs most of all. Celtic's wage bill is £1m per week. The issue is/was starting year 1 on August 1st or risk the first £30m being renegotiated (and any personal bonuses vanishing) versus losing £1.5m for SKY's lost games + £5-10m given away with 5 years free sponsorship + £5m (?) potentially lost from BT + any compo due to the shafted teams.  Pushing the decision a certain way would be any Celtic supporters on the board because their overwhelming  concern was that absolutely nothing should jeopardise them being ready for starting Euro competition and the £20m or whatever that brings them. And some 9 in a row thing you might have heard of.

Hearts, Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Brora were barely a consideration.

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20 minutes ago, bennett said:

No one would have written off £150m, you know this, I know this, everyone knows this. But you do love playing up to your online persona...

 

It could've been fitted in, the epl sides are managing but you already knew that. 

 

What is the point of hurtful comments like this, have you any idea how much damage they can do.

You've left me in pieces here.

 

 

I know it's not hurtful, I just think you should use less of a scatter gun approach and think your trolls through a bit more.

It was impossible to fulfil both contracts (i.e. finish current season and start new contract in August) so there was also going to be a trade off in terms penalties incurred and getting income in.

It makes sense to breach the smaller contract that is almost dead in order to preserve the much larger prospective contract and then try and minimise the penalty through negotiations.

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4 minutes ago, gannonball said:

There would be every chance sky sports might have. They are losing money every month so it would have been an easy get out for them if we couldn’t provide what we said we would have. 

The Latter part regarding the €PL, its so obvious why we couldn’t do what they are doing right now and I don’t even think you are that thick to not understand this.  

No they wouldn't have written off the tv deal, that's pretty disingenuous from you and you know it. The games could have easily been played, broadcast on sky and the contract fulfilled without any loss of income.

Then we could have started the following season but one team had to have their way and to hell with everyone else. 

You'll throw out more insults but we all know the truth,  the rush to finish the league absolutely stinks.

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1 minute ago, bennett said:

The games could have easily been played

How and when?

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1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

I know it's not hurtful, I just think you should use less of a scatter gun approach and think your trolls through a bit more.

It was impossible to fulfil both contracts (i.e. finish current season and start new contract in August) so there was also going to be a trade off in terms penalties incurred and getting income in.

It makes sense to breach the smaller contract that is almost dead in order to preserve the much larger prospective contract and then try and minimise the penalty through negotiations.

Agreed.

Based on the fact it’s not the league choosing not to play matches but government stepping in and preventing them from doing so it may even be the case that Sky can’t claim for losses.

If there’s a ‘Force Majeure’ clause in the current contract covering epidemics, pandemics, or government interventions then both parties could be relieved of their contractual obligations without penalty due to the circumstances being totally unforeseeable when the contract was drawn up. 

Even if not, the current circumstances could be seen as frustration, preventing one or both parties from fulfilling the obligations of the contract. I doubt a court would see the league failing to finish as entirely their fault and imposing financial penalties.

It may be the case that Sky already know they’re be unlikely to enforce any penalties and for the sake of goodwill and continuation of the next contract they’ve agreed not to push for it?

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5 minutes ago, Green Day said:

How and when?

Apparently every club should go 6 months without income, via matchdays or the final prize money amount, so we can play 8/10 games to end a season.

Instead of handing out prize money that will see clubs survive until August when they can restart the new season and not impact the TV deal at all, while also allowing clubs to downsize their squads heavily in the period inbetween.

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