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54 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

..Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Brora were barely a consideration.

Are we talking Hearts' approach to their failed attempts at keeping themselves in the top division? If so, I fully agree.

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20 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said:

Same ones you loved so much you visited for 3 seasons😂😂😂😂

Before returning to the top league and finishing above your mob every season since.
 

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25 minutes ago, EdinburghPar1975 said:

As I've said before I have sympathy for all the teams relegated (but mostly Partick), but any reconstruction should be for the long term benefit of the game and not just Hearts and I just don't get that from the proposals.

When the call was made I had no beef with Celtic being crowned, they were comfortably ahead, but did think it was incredibly unfair on Partick, Hearts and Stranraer in that order as well as Brora/Kelty.

I genuinely expected the majority of Scottish football fans to be incensed at this injustice BUT in actual fact the vast majority of feedback on P&B and Twitter has been "Ha Ha we fucking hate Hearts...get doon!!".

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46 minutes ago, bennett said:

You'll throw out more insults but we all know the truth,  the rush to finish the league absolutely stinks.

1) Have any games in the UK gone ahead so far? No. Which suggests getting them played before now is not a reasonable assumption.

2) Have most teams had to let go players (or players intentionally deciding to leave) due to their contracts expiring? Yes. Which suggests getting them played now is not a reasonable option.

I hope that clears up any daft nonsense that we could have somehow finished the season. Calling it was the only option left, either null/void or promotion/relegation.

 

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1 hour ago, bennett said:

Then we could have started the following season but one team had to have their way and to hell with everyone else. 

Are you suggesting Dundee got a brown envelop?
Over 80% of clubs voted to end the season time to move on zippy.
Plus your manager is still in a job because of the early finish to the season.

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5 minutes ago, Zing. said:

Before returning to the top league and finishing above your mob every season since.
 

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👍 you only got out after the big teams were promoted.  Have we still got the record points in the hardest diddy league there is ever likely to be😉 

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36 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Craig - I think worries about Killie's financial situation are clouding your otherwise logical thinking. The issue is not £1.5m versus £150m. That's a very deliberate misrepresentation you're making there.

Year's 2 onwards of the SKY deal will either be for normal football, or the whole game is goosed anyway - the biggest clubs most of all. Celtic's wage bill is £1m per week. The issue is/was starting year 1 on August 1st or risk the first £30m being renegotiated (and any personal bonuses vanishing) versus losing £1.5m for SKY's lost games + £5-10m given away with 5 years free sponsorship + £5m (?) potentially lost from BT + any compo due to the shafted teams.  Pushing the decision a certain way would be any Celtic supporters on the board because their overwhelming  concern was that absolutely nothing should jeopardise them being ready for starting Euro competition and the £20m or whatever that brings them. And some 9 in a row thing you might have heard of.

Hearts, Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/Bonnyrigg/Brora were barely a consideration.

I have no particular worries about Killie's financial situation. I can't imagine it's amazing, just like it won't be for any club, but we used the furlough scheme, and had lots of players out of contract this summer anyway. We also sold a player for £2m last summer and have a chairman who appears to be willing to put money in if need be.

I don't believe you are posting in good faith here whatsoever. You have repeatedly claimed (despite having no evidence for it) that you think Sky will be wanting to renegotiate the TV deal, even if the SPFL adhere to it to the letter. Now you are suggesting that if they do start the season on time it will be fine, and if they don't then they're only going to want to renegotiate the first year of it. I don't see why that would be the case - if the deal is breached then they would surely be entirely within their rights to rip up the whole thing. Obviously there would still be some TV deal, but there would be no guarantee it would be anything like the same value. You've also added in some conspiracy theory stuff about Celtic fans on the board, a line which you must be raging has got absolutely no traction, even from your own fans or Rangers fans, in the 300 previous times you've alluded to it.

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Going back to James Anderson and his money.

I'm assuming the 'no strings attached' line is just in terms of not conditional on reconstruction and not in exchange for anything tangible (i.e. no repayment, no place on the board etc etc).

There must be some conditions attached surely to how the money is split between clubs, what it is spent on etc i.e. retaining administrative staff, Covid testing or other essentials. I'm not convinced Premiership clubs should see any of it either.

 

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10 minutes ago, The_Judge said:

I genuinely expected the majority of Scottish football fans to be incensed at this injustice BUT in actual fact the vast majority of feedback on P&B and Twitter has been "Ha Ha we fucking hate Hearts...get doon!!".

Sorry, I just don't agree that this is an injustice. It's a massively unfortunate way to have to end the season and as I said I have sympathy for any club impacted whether that be by relegation or promotion denied by a play off - i'd hate it if it was my team impacted in such a direct way - but it was, in my mind, the only way to finish the leagues. I'm actually all for reconstruction but it should be as part of an overall review of what is needed going forward and not for what would seem way to assist one of the larger teams in the country.

As for the feedback on P&B, Twitter etc. I think that's generally to be expected given the forums that they are. I would say that the majority of the pushback of this type is either due to rivalry, 'banter' or in a number of cases due to some Hearts fans showing a level of arrogance as to it being almost a 'right' to stay up and teams should be falling over themselves to help them.

I have no beef with Hearts (or any other team) but things teams need to be able to start looking at next season and how that'll work pretty quickly to help clubs survive. FWIW I think that they should be looking at getting talks on reconstruction, SPFL governance review etc. on the table for when the teams are playing again with crowds in the grounds and aim to have something in place for season 21/22...

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3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I have no particular worries about Killie's financial situation. I can't imagine it's amazing, just like it won't be for any club, but we used the furlough scheme, and had lots of players out of contract this summer anyway. We also sold a player for £2m last summer and have a chairman who appears to be willing to put money in if need be.

I don't believe you are posting in good faith here whatsoever. You have repeatedly claimed (despite having no evidence for it) that you think Sky will be wanting to renegotiate the TV deal, even if the SPFL adhere to it to the letter. Now you are suggesting that if they do start the season on time it will be fine, and if they don't then they're only going to want to renegotiate the first year of it. I don't see why that would be the case - if the deal is breached then they would surely be entirely within their rights to rip up the whole thing. Obviously there would still be some TV deal, but there would be no guarantee it would be anything like the same value. You've also added in some conspiracy theory stuff about Celtic fans on the board, a line which you must be raging has got absolutely no traction, even from your own fans or Rangers fans, in the 300 previous times you've alluded to it.

1. Good. So you don't deny that your £1.5m v £150m comparison was pish.

2. SKY are not the devil. They won't want to create havoc for the sake of it. But they will be under financial pressure and they will want a fair deal.  You think they  won't renegotiate. I say you're naive. Doncaster has just admitted they've taken £6.5m - £11.5m out of the SPFL for last quarter of last season (assuming league sponsorship is worth £1-2m pa). Wakey, wakey.

3. The stuff about Celtic supporters on the board isn't a wind-up. It's just an acknowledgement of human nature. Would be the same for any other team - although nobody else currently has huge dollops of Euro money built into their budgets. You think the Chairman, the lawyer and maybe 1 or 2 others wouldn't let their heart influence them?  Oh, Craig.

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Doncaster hasn't "admitted" anything at all - I don't think he's commented on broadcasting rights once, certainly not that I've seen. And I would expect them to be repaid money for last season given that last season was unable to be played finish - the total TV deal was worth something like £18m a year, so if you're not getting a chunk of what you paid for then you're going to be refunded for that. Given the ban of 3 months and counting on football being played in this country, it would be impossible for the SPFL not to breach either last season's TV contract or the upcoming five-year TV contract.

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Pet Jeden in pulling things out of his arse and nominating them as his 'hill to die on for the day' shocker.

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I genuinely can’t believe there are people still arguing the season could have been finished. We’re going around in circles here, it’s been discussed in this thread 5-6 times. 

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I applaud the arrival of James Andersons cash which will - hopefully - save the lower leagues seasons.

But (back on topic) the official "reconstruction is officially deid - lets boot Hearts into the Championship" really cant come soon enough  -  Its telling that the decent Jambos have disappeared like snow off a dyke on this thread and all we are left with is the intellectual pygmies.

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21 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

3. The stuff about Celtic supporters on the board isn't a wind-up. It's just an acknowledgement of human nature. Would be the same for any other team - although nobody else currently has huge dollops of Euro money built into their budgets. You think the Chairman, the lawyer and maybe 1 or 2 others wouldn't let their heart influence them?  Oh, Craig.

Selling Tierney was one years Tv deal plus Lawwwell has already said one year out of three in the champions league is what Celtic budget for.

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Its telling that the decent Jambos have disappeared like snow off a dyke on this thread and all we are left with is the intellectual pygmies.

 

 

I’m actually quite tall and “Intellectual” is flattering but debatable

 

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25 minutes ago, Green Day said:

I applaud the arrival of James Andersons cash which will - hopefully - save the lower leagues seasons.

But (back on topic) the official "reconstruction is officially deid - lets boot Hearts into the Championship" really cant come soon enough  -  Its telling that the decent Jambos have disappeared like snow off a dyke on this thread and all we are left with is the intellectual pygmies.

What is there to say?

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I genuinely can’t believe there are people still arguing the season could have been finished. We’re going around in circles here, it’s been discussed in this thread 5-6 times. 


There was never an attempt to even think about finishing though and Doncaster had no intention of.

The June 10th was a made up date between Doncaster and the sfa to get the season abandoned. he later claimed it was a government decision June 10th which it never was

I appreciate a cross between no money and a defensive government probably would not have allowed it.
40 leagues have resumed or in the process of doing so. 4 did not.

It’s the kick the can philosophy , what happens if leitch says no to the 1st of August restart and if it comes back do we abandon again in say November this time.

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The Scottish Government literally banned all football activity until June 10th.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/scottish-football-suspension-extended-until-june-10-medical-advice-paints-gloomy-picture-timely-resumption-201920-season-2535084

“Mr FitzPatrick stated that these restrictions were unlikely to be lifted for at least 13 weeks and that NHS Scotland had been placed on an emergency footing until at least 10 June 2020. Mr FitzPatrick indicated that no group training would be permitted before the legal restrictions are lifted and noted the medical advice that competitive matches could not take place for about six weeks after training and conditioning recommences."

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