Sergeant Wilson Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Just pointing out the bleedin' obvious that a few posters on here have egg on their face. Don't for one second expect anyone to acknowledge that though. Of course, a lot of the stuff that come out of Sportsound pundits mouths is a load of shite, probably more often than not, but sometimes, just sometimes............... We've still to hear the detail of the offer, the conduit and timing makes me suspicious. Because Doncaster has been positive doesn't make me any more convinced it will be the solution that it was claimed to be. We'll see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, CambieBud said: I could have made this offer to the 42 clubs, safe in the knowledge that it is a non starter. How could a club like say QOS return to empty stadiums? They are full time, so furlough ends as soon as they return to work. With no income, how do they pay £8to £10 thousand a week? I am not singling out QOS as there are dozens of clubs in the same boat. Even assuming someone paid for Covid tests every few days there is no chance of Scottish football starting until either a vaccine or the virus disappears. No fans= no games The only positive would be the bigotfest played with no sectarian singing. Almost worth it yes please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Pet Jeden said: And no big man up top! You see? He was flexible. Difficult to fit a big front man into that line of 0 forwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenHibee Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) This James Anderson bloke seems like a genuinely good guy.  If I was a Jambo, I would be utterly fuming that our main financial doping funder is about to divert funds from the club to all of the others that are about to send Hearts down. This just won't wash with the so-called smaller clubs.  Why should Hearts be saved because they have a rich backer willing to plough money in?  If St Mirren, Hamilton etc were in this position but had no such backer, would they be spared? No. Edited June 2, 2020 by AberdeenHibee 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 If they want to spunk their money away on Hearts best of luck to them was the general attitude (and also raised a query re how Hearts were getting round financial fair play rules with it). Pretty sure financial fair play is only concerning teams in Europe... doesn’t apply to hearts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) I'll remain sceptical until the money is paid, without strings, after Hearts are relegated, and when its clarified how the money is to be used. Until then I'll still maintain its shady as f**k. Edited June 2, 2020 by RandomGuy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko’s Dive Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, AberdeenHibee said: This James Anderson bloke seems like a genuinely good guy.  If I was a Jambo, I would be utterly fuming that our main financial doping funder is about to divert funds from the club to all of the others that are about to send Hearts down. This just won't wash with the so-called smaller clubs.  Why should Hearts be saved because they have a rich backer willing to plough money in?  If St Mirren, Hamilton etc were in this position but had no such backer, would they be spared? No. But can these clubs afford to turn it down? Seriously, when the main consideration in a vote is ensuring a certain number of visits from the old firm to boost the coffers I don’t think anything is off the table.  Take the money - it’s his to spend as he pleases and maybe, just maybe, he is is showing the kind of respect for the Scottish game as a whole that certain others could copy- and right the wrong of Hearts expulsion. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Pretty sure financial fair play is only concerning teams in Europe... doesn’t apply to hearts Given that almost every club in Europe will be facing big one-off losses as a result of this crisis UEFA are going to have to temporarily relax their rules anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 But can these clubs afford to turn it down? Seriously, when the main consideration in a vote is ensuring a certain number of visits from the old firm to boost the coffers I don’t think anything is off the table.  Take the money - it’s his to spend as he pleases and maybe, just maybe, he is is showing the kind of respect for the Scottish game as a whole that certain others could copy- and right the wrong of Hearts expulsion. The most effected club regarding a third visit from Celtic and Rangers is St Johnstone. They sell around 6.5k tickets to them. At 30 quid a pop that's around 200k. However, that is including vat so knock off about 35k from that figure. It also comes with additional costs for policing and stewarding which probably isn't going to be much short of 15k. So the most effected club is down about 150k for each visit less they get. It's not a game changing amount of money.It's also why Hearts fans talking about boycotts when they take about a third max of that size of crowd to most places is utterly laughable. You're not important to any clubs financial health. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, steelmen said:  Pretty sure financial fair play is only concerning teams in Europe... doesn’t apply to hearts  Budge has threatened legal action if anyone tries to expel Hearts from the Champions League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lebowski said: The most effected club regarding a third visit from Celtic and Rangers is St Johnstone. They sell around 6.5k tickets to them. As an experiment, with them getting that allocation once each. Nobody knows if that will continue this season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko’s Dive Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, Lebowski said: The most effected club regarding a third visit from Celtic and Rangers is St Johnstone. They sell around 6.5k tickets to them. At 30 quid a pop that's around 200k. However, that is including vat so knock off about 35k from that figure. It also comes with additional costs for policing and stewarding which probably isn't going to be much short of 15k. So the most effected club is down about 150k for each visit less they get. It's not a game changing amount of money. It's also why Hearts fans talking about boycotts when they take about a third max of that size of crowd to most places is utterly laughable. You're not important to any clubs financial health. Well they should be ok this coming season with almost zero away fans? Two visits from the old firm dominated thinking in this league so no use pretending it doesn’t matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Lebowski said: The most effected club regarding a third visit from Celtic and Rangers is St Johnstone. They sell around 6.5k tickets to them. At 30 quid a pop that's around 200k. However, that is including vat so knock off about 35k from that figure. It also comes with additional costs for policing and stewarding which probably isn't going to be much short of 15k. So the most effected club is down about 150k for each visit less they get. It's not a game changing amount of money. It's also why Hearts fans talking about boycotts when they take about a third max of that size of crowd to most places is utterly laughable. You're not important to any clubs financial health. As RandomGuy has said whilst you're probably correct in that we benefited from it more this season, it was simply a trial and not something we've been doing previously or have any requirement to do to survive or make enough money. Merely by doing it we profit a little more from it and that can help fund new growth at the club. The irony is that a resurgent Dundee United will bring far more fans to the likes of Perth, Aberdeen and probably plenty of other grounds than Hearts did for the last few seasons. There used to be a time where Hearts got both stands behind the goal in Perth (roughly 3500 seats) now they struggle to generate a 4 figure attendance, which puts them roughly at the same level of fans as Kilmarnock and Aberdeen, who we don't "need" to continue operating. The notion that this "maroon" pound is anything even worth taking note of is laughable, as is the notion from some fans that other teams in Scotland need Hearts in order to survive! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Regarding Anderson, I think most fans knew who he was if not his actual name. It had been heavily rumoured for a long time it was someone at Baillie Gifford. When he says it's no strings, I genuinely believe it, he has a track record of doing so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, Widge said: As RandomGuy has said whilst you're probably correct in that we benefited from it more this season, it was simply a trial and not something we've been doing previously or have any requirement to do to survive or make enough money. Merely by doing it we profit a little more from it and that can help fund new growth at the club. The irony is that a resurgent Dundee United will bring far more fans to the likes of Perth, Aberdeen and probably plenty of other grounds than Hearts did for the last few seasons. There used to be a time where Hearts got both stands behind the goal in Perth (roughly 3500 seats) now they struggle to generate a 4 figure attendance, which puts them roughly at the same level of fans as Kilmarnock and Aberdeen, who we don't "need" to continue operating. The notion that this "maroon" pound is anything even worth taking note of is laughable, as is the notion from some fans that other teams in Scotland need Hearts in order to survive! Hearts are like the majority of clubs, their away attendances fluctuate based on a number of factors including how their performing, timing of the game, distance to travel etc etc. St Johnstone could quite feasibly play them once at home all season, on a Tuesday night in January when Hearts are shite.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 59 minutes ago, Miko’s Dive said: Well they should be ok this coming season with almost zero away fans? Two visits from the old firm dominated thinking in this league so no use pretending it doesn’t matter. Money dominates St Johnstones thinkings. Hearts regularly got the same allocation as the OF (Two stands behind the goals/part of the Main) and I dont think they ever even sold that out, while the OF did and had a demand for about double that. It's simple economics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Widge said: As RandomGuy has said whilst you're probably correct in that we benefited from it more this season, it was simply a trial and not something we've been doing previously or have any requirement to do to survive or make enough money. Merely by doing it we profit a little more from it and that can help fund new growth at the club. The irony is that a resurgent Dundee United will bring far more fans to the likes of Perth, Aberdeen and probably plenty of other grounds than Hearts did for the last few seasons. There used to be a time where Hearts got both stands behind the goal in Perth (roughly 3500 seats) now they struggle to generate a 4 figure attendance, which puts them roughly at the same level of fans as Kilmarnock and Aberdeen, who we don't "need" to continue operating. The notion that this "maroon" pound is anything even worth taking note of is laughable, as is the notion from some fans that other teams in Scotland need Hearts in order to survive! A trial that was so successful it’ll be the norm if you survive this coming season! Look on the bright side you won’t have to suffer the indignity of your chairman saying get oot yer ST seat the bigots have booked it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: Hearts are like the majority of clubs, their away attendances fluctuate based on a number of factors including how their performing, timing of the game, distance to travel etc etc. St Johnstone could quite feasibly play them once at home all season, on a Tuesday night in January when Hearts are shite. Very this. I had a lol when I was reading their "sink us, we'll sink you" hubris on Kickback. A quick look at the attendances against Hearts at FP recently. 07/12/19 - 4,745 (1-0) 18/08/19 - 5,597 (1-2) (LC QF) 17/02/19 - 5,091 (2-1) 15/09/18 - 7,218 (0-1) (Hearts were top of the league after 5 games) 04/03/18 - 7,584 (2-1) (SC QF) 26/08/17 - 6,568 (2-1) 04/02/17 - 4,651 (0-3) 30/09/16 - 4,666 (1-3) 23/04/16 - 5,125 (1-0) 28/11/15 - 5,141 (2-2) For a bit of context we had higher attendances against both HIbs and Aberdeen last season: 5,964 and 5,787 against Hibs and 5,640 against Aberdeen. Reading Kickback you'd think they were regularly bringing OF-type away supports. Edited June 2, 2020 by capt_oats 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: A trial that was so successful it’ll be the norm if you survive this coming season! Look on the bright side you won’t have to suffer the indignity of your chairman saying get oot yer ST seat the bigots have booked it Aye St Fermers, learn yer lesson! Ye fvkkin book balancing knvts, with yer 6th place and only 50+% more points (in less games) than the not at all embarrassing Hertz (get doon... again)!     HOME AWAY  POS.  P W D L GF GA W D L GF GA GD PTS 1 Celtic 30 14 0 1 50 7 12 2 1 39 12 70 80 2 Rangers 29 11 1 2 33 7 10 3 2 31 12 45 67 3 Motherwell 30 7 1 7 23 23 7 3 5 18 15 3 46 4 Aberdeen 30 7 3 5 23 19 5 6 4 17 17 4 45 5 Livingston 30 8 4 2 19 8 2 5 9 22 31 2 39 6 St. Johnstone 29 5 6 5 19 26 3 6 4 9 20 -18 36 7 Hibernian 30 5 7 3 26 22 4 3 8 16 27 -7 37 8 Kilmarnock 30 6 5 4 20 15 3 1 11 11 26 -10 33 9 St. Mirren 30 5 6 4 13 13 2 2 11 11 28 -17 29 10 Ross County 30 5 3 6 17 23 2 5 9 12 37 -31 29 11 Hamilton Academical 30 4 3 9 16 26 2 6 6 14 24 -20 27 12 Heart of Midlothian 30 2 7 6 19 23 2 4 9 12 29 -21 23 Edited June 2, 2020 by aDONisSheep 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: A trial that was so successful it’ll be the norm if you survive this coming season! Look on the bright side you won’t have to suffer the indignity of your chairman saying get oot yer ST seat the bigots have booked it You seem to be under the belief St Johnstone, and their £2.3m reserves, rely on matchday crowds to survive. Any research would show you how many miles wide of the mark you are there, but suspect you'll batter on down this road regardless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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