Dons_1988 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: What's your email address? I send you my QC Opinion to Heart of Midlothian That'll be another 'Don't know' from Pet Jeden then. We move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: I do read it. Didn't know that Granny Danger relied upon it though. If Hearts win in court then it is theoretically possible that the courts could specifically implement the reinstatement of Hearts into the Premier League, but given the disruption that that would cause, they'd be way more likely to award damages.In amongst the rage, I think there are some well informed posts. btw there are at least half a dozen Hibbies stirring it in there. Is the assumption that this is a criminal or a civil matter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ric said: Out of interest, just what legal mechanism do you think could be used to do that? Be quite specific here as the law is clear on where its jurisdiction is in regard to private organisations. You saying it's not possible? Tell me why. Let you into a wee secret - I'm not really a QC btw I forgot to say, I always said I thought the most practical remedy is/was an order to redo the board paper with full info and to rerun the vote without shenanigans. Possibly with same outcome. But as time slips by, that becomes less appropriate as circumstances change. Edited May 29, 2020 by Pet Jeden -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Depends. On technical matters of Scottish criminal jurisprudence, I'm sure he's as good as almost anyone. On when is the best time to have a good ol' fashioned sash bash, not so much... tbf, if there was ever a "best time" for that, it probably was when pished and in the company of like-minded people. (Although maybe not since days of mobile phone recordings). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Pet Jeden has as much knowledge of the law as Daniel Stendel has of managing a football team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Pet Jeden has as much knowledge of the law as Daniel Stendel has of managing a football team. This thread has been fairly derailed by Pet Jeden making statements and then being forced to admit he's pulled it out of his arse when anyone scratches the surface of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 You saying it's not possible? Tell me why. Let you into a wee secret - I'm not really a QC btw I forgot to say, I always said I thought the most practical remedy is/was an order to redo the board paper with full info and to rerun the vote without shenanigans. Possibly with same outcome. But as time slips by it, that becomes less appropriate as circumstances change.The redress for that was for Hearts to submit an amendment to the original proposal. Or an entirely new proposal instead. The reason they didn't do that was because they knew it would not get enough support.Were Hearts stopped from doing that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: This thread has been fairly derailed by Pet Jeden making statements and then being forced to admit he's pulled it out of his arse when anyone scratches the surface of it. It's going to be a pretty quiet board if the only views that can be expressed are those of active professionals in the field of the topic. Innit? But if you are a corporate lawyer specialising in sports litigation , fire on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: You saying it's not possible? Tell me why. Let you into a wee secret - I'm not really a QC Evidently so. The issue would fall under contract law, a civil case if you were wondering. Your assumption that any ruling would proscribe what league Hearts play in is fanciful and down right incorrect. The only positive outcome could be compensation. A moral victory, perhaps, albeit a pyrrhic one. No court could stop the league from commencing, nor could they instruct a private body to place a team within a certain position within it's internal structure. Maybe in the future, you refrain from using terms like "theoretically possible" when it absolutely is not theoretically possible. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said: It's going to be a pretty quiet board if the only views that can be expressed are those of active professionals in the field of the topic. Innit? But if you are a corporate lawyer specialising in sports litigation , fire on You're right, every forum needs an ill-informed mouthpiece, so thank you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Just now, Lebowski said: The redress for that was for Hearts to submit an amendment to the original proposal. Or an entirely new proposal instead. The reason they didn't do that was because they knew it would not get enough support. Were Hearts stopped from doing that? Rangers were. But the point is the board do have responsibilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Just now, Dons_1988 said: You're right, every forum needs an ill-informed mouthpiece, so thank you. I'll take that as an "aye, your right enough, Pet" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Inflated sense of self worth - maybe. The sectarian aspect - no.It’s not “arrogance” when one genuinely is superior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said: I'll take that as an "aye, your right enough, Pet" No, I wouldn't have such dreadful grammar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: This thread has been fairly derailed by Pet Jeden making statements and then being forced to admit he's pulled it out of his arse when anyone scratches the surface of it. His arse? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 For the good of Scottish football - Hearts taking a stint in the Championship is for the greater good as the Maroon Poond will boost bank balances further down the chain. Well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ric said: Evidently so. The issue would fall under contract law, a civil case if you were wondering. Your assumption that any ruling would proscribe what league Hearts play in is fanciful and down right incorrect. The only positive outcome could be compensation. A moral victory, perhaps, albeit a pyrrhic one. No court could stop the league from commencing, nor could they instruct a private body to place a team within a certain position within it's internal structure. Maybe in the future, you refrain from using terms like "theoretically possible" when it absolutely is not theoretically possible. You saying specific implement can never be applied in relation to company decisions? Well if that's right, I suppose setting aside the original decision would have the same effect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 For the good of Scottish football - Hearts taking a stint in the Championship is for the greater good as the Maroon Poond will boost bank balances further down the chain. Well done.If there is a championship to take a stint in -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) Clubs would've been compensated for restrictions of trade by the government for the season finishing early. If again they start behind closed doors this is also a restriction of trade plus if they don't start in the championship on the scheduled date will the clubs be in breach of the rules? “If we’re in the Championship and the Championship isn’t playing then it’s effectively a restriction of trade. Edited May 29, 2020 by wastecoatwilly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Just now, topcat(The most tip top) said: If there is a championship to take a stint in If that's really the worry, isn't there more likely to be a 10-team championship than a 14-team one; making the leagues smaller makes it more likely to have a quorum of teams able to finish playing any given league. Is the Budge reconstruction an attempt to sabotage the Championship while keeping Hearts out of it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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