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13 minutes ago, TonyFerrino said:

I'd be more concerned about the greater good of the Scottish game.  I don't really give two fucks about Hearts when this sort of scenario, should it ever come to light, would result in a number of teams going to the wall.

And regardless, season 19/20 is still a relegation and already in the history books for Hearts.  5 and counting.  

Started out on the Scottish fitba warrior poet finished on a hibs bitter seethe😂

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....you mean like calling the leagues to shaft Hearts, Partick and Stranraer?

How are you c***s still going on about this. We're nearly into June and players can't even fucking train yet. Dozens of players have been released because clubs don't have any money because we've had to shut down football. Half the clubs in the country would be lucky to be able to field a matchday squad even if they were able to train and play, which they can't. At what point is the penny going to drop that there wasn't another option but to call the league. All this was fucking obvious months ago.

 

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1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Sky have exclusive rights to 48 games they've cherry picked the ones they want.
If games next season are played behind closed doors you can't expect clubs to sit back and lose that revenue.
For me this is the game changer  and the goal posts must be moved,clubs must be allowed to sell their home games through club TV.
Benfica do this in Portugal with a TV deal in place,if it's only in place for one season until fans are allowed back into stadiums then fair enough but if it is successful and clubs want to keep it in place they should decide on that not SKY.

Read the contract they have exclusive rights to the SPFL games and they can show 48 of these.

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9 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

How are you c***s still going on about this. We're nearly into June and players can't even fucking train yet. Dozens of players have been released because clubs don't have any money because we've had to shut down football. Half the clubs in the country would be lucky to be able to field a matchday squad even if they were able to train and play, which they can't. At what point is the penny going to drop that there wasn't another option but to call the league. All this was fucking obvious months ago.

Also note that the premiership was only called two weeks ago, and with the assent of all the clubs - the SPFL didn't exactly jump the gun.

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37 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

Will they? If the SPFL say the Championship is going ahead behind closed doors and some members refuse to take part, how can you keep them in any leauge?

Would depend on how safe playing the games was and what safeguards were in place. Could teams refusing play take legal action citing safety issues...

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Just now, johnnydun said:

Will they? If the SPFL say the Championship is going ahead behind closed doors and some members refuse to take part, how can you keep them in any leauge?

Because they aren't quitting the SPFL or refusing to play, as there will presumably be an option on this scenario.

They'll have to figure out the league structure but I imagine would do it on league placings of when teams last finished, so basically the places as they stand but taking in to account any teams who are able to play (so in effect they'd jump ahead of teams who couldn't).

All sounds mental and won't happen anyway though.

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I don't see why they can't have a stand alone season of however many divisions are feasible, and then revert back to the divisions as based on this season's finishings. (As was done during the war, albeit the divisions were reconstructed on the restart.)

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13 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

I don't see why they can't have a stand alone season of however many divisions are feasible, and then revert back to the divisions as based on this season's finishings. (As was done during the war, albeit the divisions were reconstructed on the restart.)

Hearts fans will want this season finished at the end of next season.

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56 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said:

Started out on the Scottish fitba warrior poet finished on a hibs bitter seethe😂

Aye, I'm raging.  In between fits of pishing myself laughing.  

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52 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said:

Read the contract they have exclusive rights to the SPFL games and they can show 48 of these.

SKY can have their 48 games but the clubs can have the rest.

There are ways for the SPFL to do this for modest outlay, and to their credit, they may well have explored them. Pixellot is an unmanned camera system that uses a single camera with multiple lens to automatically track the ball during a football match and the SPFL has experimented with them at Scottish Championship grounds this season.

These systems are already being used in Germany, dramatically reducing the cost of broadcasting live games and they could be the key to Scottish football establishing a streaming service much like the MLS Live platform that gave American fans the chance to watch every game not on national TV for a number of years.

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29 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

I don't see why they can't have a stand alone season of however many divisions are feasible, and then revert back to the divisions as based on this season's finishings. (As was done during the war, albeit the divisions were reconstructed on the restart.)

That's essentially a season of friendlies and would have us repeat the Hearts must stay up shenanigans. Desperate times though.

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9 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

SKY can have their 48 games but the clubs can have the rest.

There are ways for the SPFL to do this for modest outlay, and to their credit, they may well have explored them. Pixellot is an unmanned camera system that uses a single camera with multiple lens to automatically track the ball during a football match and the SPFL has experimented with them at Scottish Championship grounds this season.

These systems are already being used in Germany, dramatically reducing the cost of broadcasting live games and they could be the key to Scottish football establishing a streaming service much like the MLS Live platform that gave American fans the chance to watch every game not on national TV for a number of years.

Lobby Dossar has already explained - Sky have exclusive rights.  They're only allowed to show 48 matches plus play-offs but NOBODY else is allowed to show the other 200+ matches in Scotland (UK?) without Sky's permission, and a likely renegotiation of the contract.

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2 minutes ago, The DA said:

Lobby Dossar has already explained - Sky have exclusive rights.  They're only allowed to show 48 matches plus play-offs but NOBODY else is allowed to show the other 200+ matches in Scotland (UK?) without Sky's permission, and a likely renegotiation of the contract.

Exactly. If you're been watching live streams of your own club you'll be less inclined to watch their programme. If viewing figures drop, so does advertising revenue after that you're knackered.

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Lobby Dossar has already explained - Sky have exclusive rights.  They're only allowed to show 48 matches plus play-offs but NOBODY else is allowed to show the other 200+ matches in Scotland (UK?) without Sky's permission, and a likely renegotiation of the contract.
Thing is though that Sky absolutely don't want Scottish football to start a new streaming model which succeeded without their involvement. That's a complete disaster for their business model because it lays the foundation for English football to do the same.

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I have a feeling they won't be bothered with live streams of games which they're not covering and which are kicking off at different times to their live games, while and only while fans can't attend.

This seems to be on the agenda for the English Premier League too.

 

Edited by craigkillie

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Thing is though that Sky absolutely don't want Scottish football to start a new streaming model which succeeded without their involvement. That's a complete disaster for their business model because it lays the foundation for English football to do the same.

It's unlikely any of this would be centralised. Every single Premiership club already has a club TV channel as far as I know (maybe County don't?), and many of these already broadcast games live to overseas viewers. You'd imagine it would be transmitted via those during this period.

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12 minutes ago, The DA said:

Lobby Dossar has already explained - Sky have exclusive rights.  They're only allowed to show 48 matches plus play-offs but NOBODY else is allowed to show the other 200+ matches in Scotland (UK?) without Sky's permission, and a likely renegotiation of the contract.

As night follows day - it's coming anyway.

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17 minutes ago, Lebowski said:
23 minutes ago, The DA said:
Lobby Dossar has already explained - Sky have exclusive rights.  They're only allowed to show 48 matches plus play-offs but NOBODY else is allowed to show the other 200+ matches in Scotland (UK?) without Sky's permission, and a likely renegotiation of the contract.

Thing is though that Sky absolutely don't want Scottish football to start a new streaming model which succeeded without their involvement. That's a complete disaster for their business model because it lays the foundation for English football to do the same.

There's a massive difference between Sky coverage and a single camera usually with a fan commentating, using a tiny bandwidth. Doubt it would make a dent in their audience figures. IIRC Sky let Falkirk TV use their feed to stream to "overseas" subscribers on occasion.

Edited by welshbairn

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47 minutes ago, Bose said:

Hearts fans will want this season finished at the end of next season.

Personally I'd rather it was null and void with temporary reconstruction in place to allow Dundee United to come up

but I appreciate that it can't be arranged purely around my preferences

Edited by topcat(The most tip top)

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17 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

As night follows day - it's coming anyway.

Are Sky wanting to renegotiate the TV deal which starts next season? I have seen and heard lots of talk about TV companies looking at their deals with the top leagues in Europe but never seen anything about the Sky-SPFL deal.

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