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13 hours ago, johnnydun said:

"There is a massive difference between the use of the words 'asterisk' and 'tainted'. The title and the promotions aren't tainted because it's through no fault of their own, but you can't argue there will not be an asterisk.

"The asterisk will say, through no fault of their own, this season has been different."

So Sally, if it is through the fault of the club does that make them tainted?

I guess we will never know as the club took it's tainted titles to the grave.

That is a classic OF argument right there.

Tainted tiles and asterisks being an entirely made up concept to suit what they would like to happen, but if you use just the right combination of word salad and 'YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE FACT...' then you are golden.

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Im sure this point has already been made, but league reconstruction would be nowhere near the agenda if it was Hamilton or St Mirren in 12th place.

The current league system is decent. 

Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer all made a c**t of their seasons and deserve to go down. 

End of. 

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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ann-budge-finalise-new-league-reconstruction-plan-friday-2858647

Rambling Annie back on the cooking sherry. Although there is a distinct lack of quoteage in that article leading me to think All is Barry is making it up as he goes along again.

 

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2 minutes ago, TonyFerrino said:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ann-budge-finalise-new-league-reconstruction-plan-friday-2858647

Rambling Annie back on the cooking sherry. Although there is a distinct lack of quoteage in that article leading me to think All is Barry is making it up as he goes along again.

Change in the tone of reporting as para 2 ends by stating what it's all about.

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Budge’s priority above all else is devising a restructuring model which would expand the Premiership from 12 to 14 or potentially 16 teams, thus keeping Hearts in Scotland’s top flight.

 

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1 minute ago, btb said:

Change in the tone of reporting as para 2 ends by stating what it's all about.

 

Cant read it it's behind a paywall.I take it she's devising this mainly herself?

Maybe asking anyone who'll talk to her but she'll just deafy anything she doesnt want to hear.

If a cobbled together 15 chairmen re-con-struction task force cant come up with something in three weeks, how can she do it herself in three days?

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3 minutes ago, btb said:

Change in the tone of reporting as para 2 ends by stating what it's all about.

 

Or in other words the facade slipping and the desperation starting to seep out.

Pleasing, as they used to say.

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7 minutes ago, Sparticus said:

Cant read it it's behind a paywall.I take it she's devising this mainly herself?

Maybe asking anyone who'll talk to her but she'll just deafy anything she doesnt want to hear.

If a cobbled together 15 chairmen re-con-struction task force cant come up with something in three weeks, how can she do it herself in three days?

"Hearts owner Ann Budge plans to finalise a league reconstruction proposal by the end of this week and circulate it to clubs across the Scottish Professional Football League.

Budge’s priority above all else is devising a restructuring model which would expand the Premiership from 12 to 14 or potentially 16 teams, thus keeping Hearts in Scotland’s top flight.

The Edinburgh club suffered an enforced relegation to the Championship on Monday when the SPFL board ratified the termination of season 2019-20 due to the coronavirus outbreak.

Budge is now talking to fellow owners and chief executives across all four divisions to garner opinions on reconstruction. She intends to note all feedback and concerns to ensure whatever formal paper she puts forward is as robust and thorough as possible in order to stand the best chance of approval.

She would need to submit a members’ resolution for league reconstruction to the SPFL, which would then require a vote from all 42 clubs.

To pass, it would need 11 of the 12 Premiership clubs to vote in favour, plus eight in the Championship and 15 in total across League 1 and League 2. Hearts would be voting as a Championship side with their top-flight place taken by promoted Dundee United.

The Edinburgh businesswoman hopes clubs will at least look at a strategy for change after Premiership teams stated earlier this month that they would not discuss the issue during the coronavirus crisis.

That led to the collapse of the league reconstruction task force, led by Budge and the Hamilton vice-chair Les Gray, only two weeks after it was formed with the SPFL board’s blessing.

Budge was left frustrated that many in Scotland’s top division were unwilling to consider a restructure but she is now more hopeful of a rethink.

Whether she can garner sufficient support, particularly among the top 12, remains to be seen.

Stranraer and Partick Thistle were relegated from the Championship and League 1 respectively as a result of the decision to bring this season to a premature end.

They and several others will back Budge in her reconstruction attempts but it is those in the Premiership whose votes would be most crucial because of the 11-1 majority needed.

Budge is working tirelessly this week in the hope of being ready with her plan by Friday, if not before. She is eager to retrieve the situation after a wretched campaign in which Hearts won only four of 30 league games before Scottish football was shut down on 13 March .

They languished at the bottom of the league at that stage, four points adrift of second-bottom Hamilton.

With 24 points still available across the remaining eight matches, they remained hopeful of surviving had the fixture list been completed. Budge firmly believes no club should suffer punishment as a result of the coronavirus pandemic and is not yet giving up hope of staying in the Premiership.

She is aware that the significant funds spent by Hearts in recent seasons under former manager Craig Levein should have ensured they were nowhere near the foot of the table. Levein was sacked last October and Budge stands accused of leaving him in the job too long before finally taking action. He left Hearts bottom of the league and Daniel Stendel took charge in December, although form did not improve.

Reconstruction would be the simplest remedy to the mess from a Tynecastle perspective. That is Budge’s preferred option but, should it fail to materialise, she would then look at the possibility of legal action against the SPFL over the decision to send Hearts and others down a division.

She has put reconstruction top of her agenda for the moment and does not plan to discuss Stendel’s contract until she is certain which league Hearts will play in next season.

He and Budge initially planned to speak once the SPFL had officially called a halt to the 2019-20 campaign. The German’s existing deal was due to run until summer 2022, but he is now technically a free agent after relegation was confirmed as his existing deal is only valid in Scotland’s top league.

Stendel is currently at home in Hannover awaiting the outcome of Budge’s push for a league restructure of some sort. He wants to see clarity on which division the club will play in to ensure talks on his future can be as straightforward as possible.

His coaching staff, assistant Jorg Sievers and coach Dale Tonge, are also waiting to learn their fate.

Stendel, 46, joined Hearts last December to replace Levein, the former manager and director of football being shunted into a background role by Budge.

The former Barnsley coach has had to work on scouting and recruitment due to the absence of a sports director at Riccarton and would like more support in those departments if he is to stay on."

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1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said:

Im sure this point has already been made, but league reconstruction would be nowhere near the agenda if it was Hamilton or St Mirren in 12th place.

The current league system is decent. 

Hearts, Thistle and Stranraer all made a c**t of their seasons and deserve to go down. 

End of. 

I know as a Hearts fan I would be campaigning vociferously for reconstruction if Hamilton or St Mirren were in 12th place.

Joking aside, it's not really the point though.  Self interest will always come first so we have to have a system where we look after all not just the majority in a vote. 

I don't expect us to ever get there.  

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2 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

It will require at least two of St Mirren, St Johnstone, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers to vote in favour. 

Dead on arrival.

So you're saying there's a chance?

 

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14 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

It will require at least two of St Mirren, St Johnstone, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers to vote in favour. 

Dead on arrival.

This.

Particularly because there is an extra European place up for grabs next season, a fair few clubs will fancy their chances with Hearts out of the equation 

Pissing in the wind, Ann

Doon yi go :) 

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A change to 14 would probably have to change the 11-1 voting structure as well.Cant see the old firm risking that changing.

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The conversation with the premiership clubs..

Budge - let’s add 2 teams to the top league.

other chairman - what about the prize money.

Budge - split between 14 instead of 12

Other chairmen - silence

Budge - hello, anyone there????

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There is zero chance in anyone diluting the small amount of money we are ready get.

Threatening with legal action is just an empty threat. If there was something concrete in there it would have been brought up already.

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2 minutes ago, steelmen said:

There is zero chance in anyone diluting the small amount of money we are ready get.

Threatening with legal action is just an empty threat. If there was something concrete in there it would have been brought up already.

They literally can't take legal action against something they themselves voted for. It's absolute nonsense.

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1 minute ago, steelmen said:

There is zero chance in anyone diluting the small amount of money we are ready get.

Threatening with legal action is just an empty threat. If there was something concrete in there it would have been brought up already.

Exploring every avenue first isn't that strange an idea from Hearts tbf, rushing straight into the courts wouldn't have been a good look.

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I hadn't realised Hearts don't even get a vote as a Premiership club :lol:

Do the SPFL have an equivalent rule to 'wasting police time' to charge Hearts with?

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Just waiting for Budge to sign up to P&B and start a poll because "Scottish football is dying!!!" and is the "laughing stock of Europe".

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