Ludo*1 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 We need to get ourselves in a position where we are not reliant on 4 OF games dictating the whole of Scottish football. Next time our deal is up we should be pressing for short term pain for long term gain. It's clear for all to see that this single requirement is holding the game back. And, if Celtic & Rangers didn't play each other as often as they did, the games would mean even more. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Does the contract actually specify 4 OF games or just specify a league format where it is feasible? Theoretically Rangers could finish bottom six, what happens then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 There are various amusing scenarios that could play out from here but the one that I'm really hoping for is the proposal to be voted down and Budge not to end up taking legal action. You'd think it would be obvious that whipping your fans into a full on Rangers mentality and then doing f**k all would be the best way to guarantee an absolutely venomous atmosphere. She seems that oblivious to her own fans that it could happen and I'm here for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, steelmen said: I would hazard a guess at very little. There is a reason that 4 old firm games are in the contract and 4 Hibs hearts games aren’t. Also, the Edinburgh derbies, particularly the ones at Tynecastle, are always utter shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 The Edinburgh derby is the most boring derby in Scottish football and I'd even go as far to include shitey pretend derbies in that such as Aberdeen vs United and St Johnstone vs Dundee. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, ropy said: Does the contract actually specify 4 OF games or just specify a league format where it is feasible? Theoretically Rangers could finish bottom six, what happens then? From what I believe, yes, they specify 4 OF games, although there are other caveats too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, ropy said: Does the contract actually specify 4 OF games or just specify a league format where it is feasible? Theoretically Rangers could finish bottom six, what happens then? Well for a start I’d have a really good laugh... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, ropy said: Theoretically Rangers could finish bottom six, what happens then? I imagine immediate reconstruction with the split being moved further down the league to accommodate them. The very day it happens. "What do you mean the rangers finished 7th?" "Oh f**k!!!! Well we'll have to move the split. It's now top 8 bottom 4. There. Fixed". "What do you mean what about the other teams?" Sound ridiculous doesn't it? That's because it fuckin well is This pandering the old filth and their 'precious' 4 games is embarrassing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ric said: From what I believe, yes, they specify 4 OF games, although there are other caveats too. Oh of course. The 'arranging' of the cup 'draws' too No too early mind, quarter or semi final if it can't be the final I know, I know, tin foil hat time I'm only messing as it's my birthday, I've been drinking and it's such a beautiful day here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Trackdaybob said: Sound ridiculous doesn't it? That's because it fuckin well is This pandering the old filth and their 'precious' 4 games is embarrassing. It is, but what can you do? They hold all the cards. If they weren't in the league, not one broadcaster would give a toss apart from maybe BT, and even at that they'd offer a pittance of what they would normally. It's a sad state of affairs and I bet not one other league in the world is like it in terms of pandering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr. X said: I know as a Hearts fan I would be campaigning vociferously for reconstruction if Hamilton or St Mirren were in 12th place. With respect, that's nonsense. By your logic we should all be vociferously supporting your knee-jerk reconstruction. I'm hearing crickets. Nobody as far as I can see is clamouring to reconstruct to 'save' Hearts because everyone else realises that this was the least shit way to deal with a total clusterfuck. In addition, I'll fucking riot if you stay up on a one year reconstruct and County go down automatically in 11th next season. Take your medicine and come back in a year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, DAFC. said: but what can you do? f**k all but wait for the next administration I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said: Suggesting there is a solution out there that keeps everyone happy is pure fantasy. Hearts need to accept the exceptional circumstances we are in and move on. For their own sanity more than anything. This is the best take I have seen on the subject. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 On 19/05/2020 at 12:19, DA Baracus said: Some Falkirk fans still thrashing about with nonsense. The popular one among the dafties (an admittedly low number) think Dundee voted against a playoff, as if there has ever been a chance of any playoff games being played since this all started. Oh, and seemingly a pre-season game against Celtic, which was apparently one of the things Celtic promised when they 'bought' Dundee's vote, is going to be a huge money spinner for Dundee. Somehow. The other thing Celtic seemingly promised when they 'purchased' Dundee's vote was to give them a few of their top younger players on loan. Given that it's not the 1980s and players actually have a say in these things, I'd say that tearful nonsense is rather far fetched. Even if it wasn't, the league is hardly going to be shaking if Jonathan Afolabi turns up at Dens Park. aam.mp4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, steelmen said: There is a reason that 4 old firm games are in the contract I think that you need to have a wee chat with your carer if you actually believe this..................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Coventry Saint said: It will require at least two of St Mirren, St Johnstone, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers to vote in favour. Dead on arrival. It will require at least 4 of them to vote in favour. Edited May 20, 2020 by craigkillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CountyFan said: With respect, that's nonsense. By your logic we should all be vociferously supporting your knee-jerk reconstruction. I'm hearing crickets. Nobody as far as I can see is clamouring to reconstruct to 'save' Hearts because everyone else realises that this was the least shit way to deal with a total clusterfuck. In addition, I'll fucking riot if you stay up on a one year reconstruct and County go down automatically in 11th next season. Take your medicine and come back in a year. You stopped reading after the first sentence, didn't you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Notice that no teams have came out this week either to back or more importantly decline any reconstruction scenario. Clearly they do have an eye on Budge taking this to the courts. Any statements made before her proposal to scrap the idea would be taken as evidence that they never have any intention of reconstruction. Which they don’t anyway. It will be heard and studied by the leagues top men. Then filed away next to Scotland’s World Cup squad winning city tour routes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It will require at least 4 of them to vote in favour. FFS. Of course it will. Cheers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I would hazard a guess at very little. There is a reason that 4 old firm games are in the contract and 4 Hibs hearts games aren’t. It's going to be worth less than the old firm game but more than nothing. In an effort improve on hazarding a guess I went looking for some actual data The best I found was an incomplete set of BARB TV rating for 2017-18 These were missingMatchDate Kickoff HomeTeam AwayTeam Barb---------- ------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------------------2018-04-08 12:30 Hamilton Celtic Not Available2018-04-21 12:30 Hibs Celtic Not Available2018-04-27 19:45 Aberdeen Hearts Not Available2018-04-28 12:30 Hamilton Ross County Not Available2018-05-04 19:45 Partick Thistle Ross County Not Available2018-05-06 12:30 Hearts Celtic Not Available2017-08-11 19:45 Partick Thistle Celtic Not Available2017-08-26 15:00 Ross County Rangers Not Available But these are the remainder in order (the percentages are percentages of the total for games we have data for)MatchDate Kickoff HomeTeam AwayTeam Barb---------- ------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------------------2017-12-30 12:00 Celtic Rangers 644000(9.2%)2018-03-11 12:00 Rangers Celtic 541000(7.7%)2018-04-29 12:00 Celtic Rangers 394000(5.6%)2017-12-17 12:15 Hearts Celtic 294000(4.2%)2017-09-23 12:00 Rangers Celtic 275000(3.9%)2018-02-18 14:00 Hamilton Rangers 236000(3.4%)2017-12-03 19:45 Aberdeen Rangers 218000(3.1%)2018-05-13 12:30 Celtic Aberdeen 196000(2.8%)2017-10-25 19:45 Aberdeen Celtic 182000(2.6%)2018-03-09 19:45 Hibs Hearts 179000(2.6%)2017-10-24 19:45 Hibs Hearts 177000(2.5%)2017-08-06 13:00 Motherwell Rangers 174000(2.5%)2017-10-13 19:45 St Johnstone Rangers 164000(2.3%)2017-12-10 12:15 Hibs Celtic 164000(2.3%)2018-03-18 14:30 Motherwell Celtic 163000(2.3%)2018-05-08 19:45 Aberdeen Rangers 163000(2.3%)2017-12-14 19:45 Hibs Rangers 158000(2.3%)2018-05-09 19:45 Hearts Hibs 144000(2.1%)2018-04-22 12:00 Rangers Hearts 137000(2.0%)2018-05-13 12:30 Hibs Rangers 135000(1.9%)2018-02-25 13:15 Aberdeen Celtic 128000(1.8%)2017-12-27 19:45 Hearts Hibs 127000(1.8%)2017-12-23 12:15 Kilmarnock Rangers 124000(1.8%)2017-09-08 19:45 Hamilton Celtic 123000(1.8%)2017-08-05 12:30 Celtic Hearts 121000(1.7%)2018-03-16 19:45 St Johnstone Hibs 120000(1.7%)2017-11-18 12:30 Ross County Celtic 119000(1.7%)2017-12-16 12:15 Aberdeen Hibs 116000(1.7%)2017-09-29 19:45 Hamilton Rangers 113000(1.6%)2017-11-24 19:45 Dundee Rangers 108000(1.5%)2017-12-08 19:45 Dundee Aberdeen 107000(1.5%)2018-02-02 12:30 Kilmarnock Celtic 106000(1.5%)2017-10-28 12:30 Hearts Rangers 105000(1.5%)2017-09-15 19:45 Partick Thistle Rangers 99000(1.4%)2017-11-04 12:30 St Johnstone Celtic 94000(1.3%)2018-02-17 12:15 Ross County Hearts 74000(1.1%)2017-09-24 12:15 Motherwell Aberdeen 73000(1.0%)2017-11-26 12:15 Kilmarnock Aberdeen 70000(1.0%)2017-11-29 19:45 Rangers Aberdeen 63000(0.9%)2017-08-25 12:15 Dundee Hibs 59000(0.8%)2018-04-01 13:30 Dundee Hearts 55000(0.8%)2018-01-28 14:00 Ross County Rangers 54000(0.8%)2017-08-19 12:30 Kilmarnock Celtic 52000(0.7%)2018-02-24 12:15 Kilmarnock Hibs 40000(0.6%) With all the caveats about incomplete data there are a few things that leap out Only the two end of season relegation battles in Dingwall didn't feature Rangers, Celtic, Hearts. Hibs or Aberdeen the 4 Old Firm Games averaged 463,500 which is 26.5% of the total for 48 matches we have data for 4 Edinburgh Derbies averaged 156,750 which is about 9% of that total Nobody wanted to watch Kilmarnock Games even though they were OK that season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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