Sparticus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 14 team league just cant work.It cant be balanced properly and would be unfair to a group of teams every season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: All that's in plain sight is a set of circumstances that allow you to piece together a narrative that suits an agenda. In a league made up of a mixture of clubs that will benefit/suffer from any decisions made, it stands to reason that the board will be made up of club representatives who benefit or suffer. If you asked all board members with skin in the game to leave the room for the decision making then it wouldn't have got very far at all. But you know all this. That's the bit I have trouble with. Stewart Robertson has a dual role as SPFL Board Member & CEO of Rangers. Would this not provide him with the opportunity to both put Rangers' views to the SPFL, as well as report back to the Rangers' Board as to what was discussed at SPFL Board meetings, therefore keeping them in the loop? It would be more plausible to suggest an SPFL stitch up say, if Peter Lawwell was on the SPFL Board in Stewart Robertson's place, then Rangers wouldn't have representation at these meetings & no insider knowledge. If you're looking for an agenda, it could be argued that Rangers are looking to oust MacLennan (unfavourable comments); Neil Doncaster (who knows why?) & Ross McArthur (cease & desist) for board members that are more sympathetic to them. I could be wrong of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Green Day said: Reconstruction is not technically dead chaps. Dr Mrs Busy Businesswoman Budge has options to put to the members of the league today so the comedy continues at least for today. What happens if she wins the day? Will we see Clyde and the other clubs disadvantaged by any plan spray out statements willy nilly and we see another week or so of total heids gone? Yes, I hope so. We can do spraying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Snafu said: So yes they are champions so they can enter a play off but not champions at the same time because they haven't completed their fixtures? Therefore the likes of Celtic, Dundee Utd, Raith Rovers etc can't be champions either because they have not completed their fixtures and expanding on this the clubs who like Hearts and Partick can't be relegated because they haven't completed their fixtures either? Also its not about not getting promotion that Kelty are complaining about, its potential promotion, bit of a difference. They either get declared Champions because games cant be played, which means the play offs are cancelled. Or the play offs dont get cancelled and they have to finish the league season, which means they cant be declared champions yet. They cant complain that games are being cancelled while simultaneously wanting the league season ended early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 You really have to salute bennett's commitment to coming on here everyday just to post shite. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 So is today definitely the day the season will be declared finished? Celtic champions, Hearts down? Or will it be Celtic champions and still looking at reconstruction somehow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: They either get declared Champions because games cant be played, which means the play offs are cancelled. Or the play offs dont get cancelled and they have to finish the league season, which means they cant be declared champions yet. They cant complain that games are being cancelled while simultaneously wanting the league season ended early. They have been declared champions of the Lowland League, and the champions of the Lowland League are entitled to a play-off. The rest of your post is not relevant to this argument. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bohemian said: So is today definitely the day the season will be declared finished? Celtic champions, Hearts down? Or will it be Celtic champions and still looking at reconstruction somehow? Yes the today is the day,hearts down.so even if there was reconstruction after today, is it even fair hearts would get togo back up? Shouldnt it be the next two in the championship ICT and Dundee? hearts had their turn.Be fair, send Dundee up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, craigkillie said: They have been declared champions of the Lowland League, and the champions of the Lowland League are entitled to a play-off. The rest of your post is not relevant to this argument. Entitlement? Lots of that going around. See every post above for the past 6 weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said: Entitlement? Lots of that going around. See every post above for the past 6 weeks. Suppose he's entitled to his opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, craigkillie said: They have been declared champions of the Lowland League, and the champions of the Lowland League are entitled to a play-off. The rest of your post is not relevant to this argument. So they're entitled to a playoff in a world in which all football is banned. Gotcha. I've got an idea. Suppose we agree that they can't actually have a playoff, since football is banned which is nobody's fault - not even Neil Doncaster's - but they can have the right to have a playoff. We shall fight the SPFL for the right to have a playoff. Edited May 18, 2020 by Aim Here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bohemian said: So is today definitely the day the season will be declared finished? Celtic champions, Hearts down? Or will it be Celtic champions and still looking at reconstruction somehow? Yes, I'm not entirely sure what would happen if Celtic are declared champions & Hearts relegated, with the shirt-tail of reconstruction still hanging out. Not clear cut at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: It's about none of these things. The SPFL are responsible for their own play-offs (Premiership, Championship, League 1) and for the outcomes of those leagues, and it is up to them to decide how to declare the season. However, any changes to the League 2 play-off require agreement from the SFA, HL and LL. Therefore Kelty's argument is nothing to do with finishing the season, but rather that the SPFL have changed the play-off arrangements (by cancelling it) contrary to the rules. They will argue that both they and Brora have been declared champions and put forward for these play-offs, therefore they SPFL do not have the power to unilaterally decide to scrap them for any reason. While you are accurate about the specifics of their argument, it’s just a technicality and a desperation attempt to get promotion. If the SPFL leagues can’t play the play offs, on what basis do the LL and HL have the ability to play their playoffs? Are they immune to the situation because they aren’t in the SPFL? Be lucky if there is any lower league football this year, so don’t really see where they are going with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Budge actually has a chance of doing something really good here.Theres no chance of hearts staying up. She could propose a 12-12-10-10 and save all the other moaners alot of grief. Bet that would get voted down by the smaller clubs too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 It was clear when the first vote rolled around that the carrot of reconstruction was just a bullshit line to bring clubs onside and to placate Budge. It was equally clear last Friday that the carrot of reconstruction was just a bullshit line to bring clubs onside and to placate Budge. The vote to finish the Premiership season will go through and Hearts will be promised reconstruction talks while the other clubs snigger behind their hands. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Budge actually has a chance of doing something really good here.Theres no chance of hearts staying up. She could propose a 12-12-10-10 and save all the other moaners alot of grief. Bet that would get voted down by the smaller clubs too.Budge has also come out with this before. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/369997580 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Conveniently ignores his chairman votes to keep himself in the diddy league. 38 games = relegation 30= expulsion diddy owner diddy fans diddy clubLol. There was literally no way for our Chairman to vote us anywhere but the division we are in, you absolute zoomer. However I'm delighted that his eventual vote has helped consign you to a richly deserved relegation and the resulting comedy tantrums. Get fucking doon, you thick c**t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Snafu said: Didn't realise that football was banned, when did this happen? 23rd March 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Budge has also come out with this before. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758 0 The woman is giving me a headache.Hope this is the last we hear of her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Aim Here said: So they're entitled to a playoff in a world in which all football is banned. Gotcha. I've got an idea. Suppose we agree that they can't actually have a playoff, since football is banned which is nobody's fault - not even Neil Doncaster's - but they can have the right to have a playoff. We shall fight the SPFL for the right to have a playoff. 30 minutes ago, big al said: While you are accurate about the specifics of their argument, it’s just a technicality and a desperation attempt to get promotion. If the SPFL leagues can’t play the play offs, on what basis do the LL and HL have the ability to play their playoffs? Are they immune to the situation because they aren’t in the SPFL? Be lucky if there is any lower league football this year, so don’t really see where they are going with this. I'm just outlining Kelty's argument here, because a couple of posters above have erroneously suggested that their problem is with the SPFL season being finished early. This is not relevant to Kelty (or Brora), since regardless of what happens to the SPFL season, the SPFL is bound by its own rules to put forward "Team 42" to the play-offs alongside the Highland League and Lowland League champions. The SPFL has the complete authority to cancel its own play-offs, which it has done, but does not have the authority to unilaterally cancel the League 2 play-offs. Clearly these play-offs can't actually be played before the end of the season, and I don't think anyone is actually suggesting that they should be. However, that does not make them technically wrong here, because under the rules of the SPFL there should be a play-off, unless the SFA/HL/LL agree otherwise. I don't think they have any prospect of success here given that the SPFL can probably quite easily argue force majeure, but they are obviously having a last punt at trying to push forward some sort of reconstruction and/or receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise (eg guaranteed League Cup/Challenge Cup entry for X years). Edited May 18, 2020 by craigkillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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