League Reconstruction 20/21 season

[Gorgie greatness]

22 minutes ago, Ric said:

Slight amendment to your reply.

Aye, I'm sure the OF, Aberdeen and Hearts(?) would be willing to dip into their collective war chests and spread the love.

Celtic’s already weighed in Dundee tbf

[Blootoon87]

These c***s nae deid yet?

[Guest SJP79]

The Old Firm must be losing money at a horrendous rate, if Aberdeen are dropping a million pound a month then what are the old firm ?

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Aye, I'm sure the OF, Aberdeen and Hearts(?) would be willing to dip into their collective war chests and spread the love.

 

There isn’t any Champions League revenue to share out

 

If there had been the rest of us could have blackmailed Celtic into handing it around in return for recognising their title win and things would be a lot better all round

[Seagulls & Sea breezes]

With the ongoing reports that gatherings are not going to be permitted until there is a vaccine or antibody for the Covid-19 virus, and with the dependency of Scottish club matches on having fans at matches for the clubs to survive. It appears to me that the current discussions about reconstruction and the next season are wasted.

The ultimate for me is trying to ensure the survival of our great game and the clubs within it. We do not know when or indeed whether there will be a start to next season. And it is increasingly likely that the start will roll from month to month, and if it does start, there will be disruption to matches due to the liklihood that teams/clubs will have infection issues during the season that will hinder progression. 

There for, the only reasonable action is to have us working in the assumption that if we get a season 20-21, that we prepare and plan to have as little amount of matches in each league as possible and still have it fair and competitive. With one match home and away against each team in their respective leagues to at least have a minimum aim to try and have a completed season. 

If indeed we get the chance to have fans at matches, it will be under strict distancing guidelines, where to achieve the current distancing rules, ground capacities will have to be reduced by a value of 8 to achieve the 2m distance, eg. one person sat in a seat would need to have two empty seats to the front, back and right and left of them. Unless sitting with someone from their household. Eg. 20,000 capacity divided by 8, would be restricted to 2,500. Slightly more with household attendees sitting together. 

This factor could then be governed by clubs to allow season ticket holders being given a slot on the revolving rota of who gets to attend matches. I'm sure fans will support the scheme to ensure their club survives, even with the reduced package on offer. 

With regards this past incomplete season and the need to declare it for the UEFA requirements. We can only declare the champions and European places as they stand. 

With regards the unjust declaration for teams that were battling to gain promotion or indeed relegation. We can't possibly disregard these in an incomplete season, and should be protecting all clubs within the pyramid system. This can only be achieved by keeping all clubs in their current positions within the pyramid and putting four non league teams into the Division 2 and shunting four teams up from each league. Creating a 16 team top division and three leagues of 10 teams. As above statement on likely reduced time to achieve a full 20-21 season, the top division would set to play 30 league matches, no split. And the usual top places available to qualify for Europe and the bottom 5 teams (see below) being relegated. In the hope that we can revert back to our current setting the following season. However this would need to be stipulated that if indeed the virus conditions remain with us, that the new system would have to continue another season and only have two teams relagated and promoted automatically, and one play off pyramid position in Division 2. 

The three divisions of 10 would play 18 matches, before each league splits into two groups of 5 teams to play 8 more matches each. If the virus is continuing and the leagues need to remain the same for the following season, two teams get promoted and relegated, with one team in Division 2 going into pyramid play off as is currently. If the virus is curtailed the leagues revert back to what we have currently, achieved by reversing the shunt of teams relegated. However each league champion of each league would automatically be promoted and replace one of the five teams coming down. This the same for Divisions championship, 1 & 2. With one non league team playing off with team placed in 6th place in Division 2. 

To help in the restricted timescale of season 20-21. The Scottish Cup would have to be restricted to teams in the top division, straight knockout, no replays, 1st round of 16 teams. The draw made on 30 November from the positions in the league at that date, regardless of matches played, with 1st V 16th, 2nd V 15th etc. The League Cup would be restricted to the top two divisions, with a preliminary round of 20 teams drawn from the two leagues, with 10 winners and the other 6 teams going into 1st round of 16. All matches again played to a finish. Leagues 1&2 would have their own individual divisional cup competitions, played home and away. 

We will likely find that European competitions will be altered and reduced in quantity of matches too, which again should be a help in trying to reduce the amount of matches in the restricted timescale accordingly. 

Alexander. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

St Mirren had lost their last two games without scoring a goal, defeats to St Johnstone and Kilmarnock. They had had a brief run of picking up five points from 3 games, but had then gone back to 0 points and 0 goals from 2 games.
Ultimately, they had picked up five points from the previous 33 available to them. 0 of the last 6.
Their form over the last 11 games was worse than the 11 games prior to that. Their form had got worse.
No sign whatsoever of a side about to lose only one game in their next eight. No evidence of that kind of recovery whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is simply being wise after the event.
You can easily make comparisons with Hearts' run of beating Rangers twice and beating Hibs before reverting to losing.
For comparison, Hearts had taken 10 points from the previous 33 and had taken 4 points from their last three matches. Performances against Aberdeen and Ross County had stabilised things, we'd played well in spells at St Johnstone and had been genuinely good against Rangers and against Hibs just the week previously. Hearts were showing clear signs of life.
Hearts were in better form than St Mirren had been the year previously and form had notably improved since Christmas.
In any case, form isn't really what this is about. But a few people have tried to go down the form route, as if St Mirren had been flying in 2019 and Hearts were dropping like a stone in spring 2020. The facts just don't support that view.

St Mirren are shite but they were still good enough to beat Hearts.

[Golden Gordon]

13 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

If only Dundee United's stadium wasn't Premiership compliant...

I'm sure Ann Budge could send Scott Gardiner to have a look at the seating...

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

4 hours ago, JTS98 said:

St Mirren had lost their last two games without scoring a goal, defeats to St Johnstone and Kilmarnock. They had had a brief run of picking up five points from 3 games, but had then gone back to 0 points and 0 goals from 2 games.
Ultimately, they had picked up five points from the previous 33 available to them. 0 of the last 6.
Their form over the last 11 games was worse than the 11 games prior to that. Their form had got worse.
No sign whatsoever of a side about to lose only one game in their next eight. No evidence of that kind of recovery whatsoever. To suggest otherwise is simply being wise after the event.
You can easily make comparisons with Hearts' run of beating Rangers twice and beating Hibs before reverting to losing.
For comparison, Hearts had taken 10 points from the previous 33 and had taken 4 points from their last three matches. Performances against Aberdeen and Ross County had stabilised things, we'd played well in spells at St Johnstone and had been genuinely good against Rangers and against Hibs just the week previously. Hearts were showing clear signs of life.
Hearts were in better form than St Mirren had been the year previously and form had notably improved since Christmas.
In any case, form isn't really what this is about. But a few people have tried to go down the form route, as if St Mirren had been flying in 2019 and Hearts were dropping like a stone in spring 2020. The facts just don't support that view.

St Mirren are shite but they were still good enough to beat Hearts.

Didn't really follow that discussion, did you?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Didn't really follow that discussion, did you?

Oh I did but your argument is utter whining bollocks. 

 

 

Form over a few games is bloody meaningless - Hearts are where they are because they've been garbage most of the season. Even on your so-called run of form you still couldn't beat St Mirren.

 

Shit happens - get over yourself.

 

 

 

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Oh I did but your argument is utter whining bollocks.

Shit happens - get over yourself.

I really don't think you did.

Your response makes no sense.

Carry on.

[Ric]

7 minutes ago, Seagulls & Sea breezes said:

Creating a 16 team top division and three leagues of 10 teams.

It seems a bit unfair of me to single out one sentence in quite a lengthy post, but the (sad) realities are that unless Sky get their 4 OF games a season then they are not interested.

I should point out, I'd be quite happy to see a 16 team league, the money men (and women) on the other hand would not.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

It seems a bit unfair of me to single out one sentence in quite a lengthy post, but the (sad) realities are that unless Sky get their 4 OF games a season then they are not interested.

I should point out, I'd be quite happy to see a 16 team league, the money men (and women) on the other hand would not.

There is also the reality that a lot of other clubs don't want an expanded league, especially to 16, as it means losing a couple of home games against the arse cheeks.

 

 

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Mr. X said:

The views are far too entrenched in this thread no one seems likely to change their opinion. 

 In the yellow corner you have the supporters of the spineless teams who believe its fair to relegate a team that has 24 points to play for.  It just so happens it also makes life more easy for their team.  A few know that a weak Hearts team is normally a temporary blip, so  'let's get them down while they are weak', seems to be part of the thinking from some of the snake clubs.  'Reconstruction is just to suit Hearts' they squeal. 

In the Maroon corner  you have other supporters that can plainly see Hearts are getting very unfairly treated.  Everything should be done to ensure no team carries a disproportionately large burden because of Covid 29 shutdown.  Reconstruction is just to suit Hearts because Hearts are the only team that are getting shafted in the top league.  No other team in the Premiership is being voted out by their rivals, at a cost  of 3 million and possibly more. 

I can understand teams looking after number 1, and that is exactly why the vote should not have taken place.  

This post, like every other post in this thread will not change any opinons. Budge will present her temporary fix and the spineless ones will once again  prefer the f**k Hearts option to any kind of fair play. Hearts will then get a solidarity payment just enough to save this from going through the courts. 

We'll be back soon enough, and hopefully some of you smaller teams will still be around for us play. 

 

 

What colour is the corner for the neutral, point and laugh, observers?

That would be the crowd come to think of it. Carry on.

[RandomGuy.]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Given that this has all got a bit specific and polarised a reworking of the question might be productive

Some people think that calling the league after 30 games is reasonable and some don’t

Presumably nobody would think that calling it after 1 game would be reasonable and everyone would agree that calling it after 38 would be.

So rather than there being only two positions there are actually 38

So two questions

What do people think the minimum number of games should be?

And wouldn’t it have been a good idea to have set that number beforehand?

I reckon 33 and “Yes, yes it would”

You're arguing a point that nobody else is.

Most people are saying the rest of the season can't be completed. You either end the season now, or null and void it.

Clubs have been clear they dont want null and void. So you end it now.

No reconstruction plan so far sees every club go without some form of unfair punishment.

You're then left to either punish sides bottom of their division after 30 games, or punish sides top of their division after 30 games.

Most people think punishes poor teams is fairer than punishes good ones at this stage of the season.

Hearts fans change the argument every few days FFS, it's really very simple.

 

[Ric]

3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

There is also the reality that a lot of other clubs don't want an expanded league, especially to 16, as it means losing a couple of home games against the arse cheeks.

It really is sad, I mean I can't really point fingers as I'm sure mine is in that position too.

[DA Baracus]

YOOZ UR PYOOR SPINELESS!

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Getting ridiculous now. Have a bit of self respect lads and just get doon FFS.

 

[Mr. X]

6 minutes ago, Ric said:

... that unless Sky get their 4 OF games a season then they are not interested.

 

Not interested under the current terms.

Sometimes it's better to reduce your individual demands for the greater good. 

[Mr. X]

6 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

YOOZ UR PYOOR SPINELESS!

[Benjamin_Nevis]

The views are far too entrenched in this thread no one seems likely to change their opinion. 
 In the yellow corner you have the supporters of the spineless teams who believe its fair to relegate a team that has 24 points to play for.  It just so happens it also makes life more easy for their team.  A few know that a weak Hearts team is normally a temporary blip, so  'let's get them down while they are weak', seems to be part of the thinking from some of the snake clubs.  'Reconstruction is just to suit Hearts' they squeal. 
In the Maroon corner  you have other supporters that can plainly see Hearts are getting very unfairly treated.  Everything should be done to ensure no team carries a disproportionately large burden because of Covid 29 shutdown.  Reconstruction is just to suit Hearts because Hearts are the only team that are getting shafted in the top league.  No other team in the Premiership is being voted out by their rivals, at a cost  of 3 million and possibly more. 
I can understand teams looking after number 1, and that is exactly why the vote should not have taken place.  
This post, like every other post in this thread will not change any opinons. Budge will present her temporary fix and the spineless ones will once again  prefer the f**k Hearts option to any kind of fair play. Hearts will then get a solidarity payment just enough to save this from going through the courts. 
We'll be back soon enough, and hopefully some of you smaller teams will still be around for us play. 
 
 

Someone post the Cartman licking tears meme [emoji23]

This is even more pathetic than something wee Pet would post.