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3 minutes ago, Alan Stubbs said:

That doesn’t sound very fair.

 

As I said in another reply, so what? "Unfair" doesn't exist anymore as a reason not to do something... apparently. Take your medicine, etc, etc

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18 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

And games have to be played before August 8th, giving you 28 days  to play the rest of the season.

Meaning that to complete the season, players would have to play 2-3 games per week - without any training beforehand.

SFA rules mean that you cannot play games on consecutive days, meaning that, if you want training, you get a maximum of 11 days training (plus rest), followed by an extremely punishing schedule of 8 games in 17 days. For Rangers and St Johnstone, that's 9 games and less training. That's a recipe for injury damage across the entire league - but what's a few cruciate ligaments if it's standing in the way of Hearts not being relegated, eh?

Give it a fucking rest with the 'the league could be played' shit. Not even Heart of Midlothian football club believes that - they assented to ending the season (the Premiership wasn't ended by the disputed vote, but by an SPFL consultation and board meeting a month afterwards) and there is no mention of playing out the league in their petition. It is a dead argument, and you lost it long ago, just as you lost the league on the pitch. Hearts petition is all about reconstruction or compensation.

Arguing about playing the rest of the league is as futile and pointless now as arguing about what would have happened had JFK not been assassinated or had Albert Kidd taken up badminton instead of fitba'. You lost. Get over it. Stop greetin'.

 

 

It's worse than that, it's the 3rd August so only 23 days.

But in reality a lot less as clubs would not be happy ( especially if relegation was on cards) with very little contact training before the meaningful games start.

If you take the  full 23 games, it means clubs would be required to play a game once every 2.8 days. We have clubs complaint they have to play 5 games in 14 days and blaming losses on "tiredness". It would be a hole new range of "it's not fair" complaints. 

See Northern Ireland league, which was going to finish then had no option but to call league by PPG. 

Remember though it's just Scotland that never finished a league.

 

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3 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

It's worse than that, it's the 3rd August so only 23 days.

But in reality a lot less as clubs would not be happy ( especially if relegation was on cards) with very little contact training before the meaningful games start.

If you take the  full 23 games, it means clubs would be required to play a game once every 2.8 days. We have clubs complaint they have to play 5 games in 14 days and blaming losses on "tiredness". It would be a hole new range of "it's not fair" complaints. 

See Northern Ireland league, which was going to finish then had no option but to call league by PPG. 

Remember though it's just Scotland that never finished a league.

 

 

Oh how "unfair". Am I doing this right?

Finishing the league *could* have been possible. A way *could* have been found. They didn't even fucking discuss it, while other leagues found way.

After that, reconstruction was the next best option for everyone. Another cluster f**k of self-interest and spite. 

And what about the playoffs. What's your reasoning for the playoffs not happening as a mini tournament now we have contact football?

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3 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

 

As I said in another reply, so what? "Unfair" doesn't exist anymore as a reason not to do something... apparently. Take your medicine, etc, etc

Spot on mate. The threshold for what is and isn’t fair in should be an arbitrary judgement based on what everyone wants to happen. It makes for a really interesting discussion.

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2 minutes ago, Golden Gordon said:

Am I missing something? If the season could have been played to its conclusion, why didn't the clubs with the most to lose argue vociferously for for this as an option?

How do you know they didn't? They argued for the "no harm" option from the start.

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4 minutes ago, Alan Stubbs said:

Spot on mate. The threshold for what is and isn’t fair in should be an arbitrary judgement based on what everyone wants to happen. It makes for a really interesting discussion.

 

If there are solutions that are obviously "unfair" and ones that are obviously "fair" which do you think should be the one to focus on?

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6 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

 

Oh how "unfair". Am I doing this right?

Finishing the league *could* have been possible. A way *could* have been found. They didn't even fucking discuss it, while other leagues found way.

After that, reconstruction was the next best option for everyone. Another cluster f**k of self-interest and spite. 

And what about the playoffs. What's your reasoning for the playoffs not happening as a mini tournament now we have contact football?

Why bother though? The other play off contenders have come to terms with what seemed to be the only realistic option in a crisis nobody has known before, only the worst by far team in the Premiership is still whining about it, instead of planning and looking forward to next season. It would be embarrassing to watch if it wasn't so entertaining. There was no spite involved, just some self interest and not caring too much, especially while you're doing your Harry Enfield loadsamoney act.

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2 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

How do you know they didn't? They argued for the "no harm" option from the start.

There was one point where you couldn't move for statements being issued by clubs of all stripes covering a multitude of issues. Playing the season to a close wasn't particularly prominent in any of these. Unless you're aware of one?

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5 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

 

If there are solutions that are obviously "unfair" and ones that are obviously "fair" which do you think should be the one to focus on?

The fair one, where the worst team gets demoted and doesn't try to buy its way out of it with QCs and blackmail.

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Hundreds of posts greeting about the unfairness of positions standing before the games have been finished. But Europe? f**k it, just call it early. What’s that got to do with Hearts eh.

6 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

 

If there are solutions that are obviously "unfair" and ones that are obviously "fair" which do you think should be the one to focus on?

The ones that benefit the famous obviously!!!!

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35 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

If UEFA needs European spots by August 1st or whatever date, we just set a date and the European spots go to whatever clubs are in the Euro spots on that date if the league is still being finished. 

8 games to go: it’s pyoor no fair to relegate Hearts on the basis of an incomplete season

Also 8 games to go: sod it, just dish out European places based on an incomplete season

 

Come On What GIF by MOODMAN

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27 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

 

Oh how "unfair". Am I doing this right?

Finishing the league *could* have been possible. A way *could* have been found. They didn't even fucking discuss it, while other leagues found way.

After that, reconstruction was the next best option for everyone. Another cluster f**k of self-interest and spite. 

And what about the playoffs. What's your reasoning for the playoffs not happening as a mini tournament now we have contact football?

I think you've been shouting unfair from the start so no need to change your record now.

A way could have been found? 

Can you actually engage your brain and answer the fecking questions that you've had weeks and weeks to think up answers for?

How? Give us a plan rather than just thickly and obtusely going "could have".

When? Give us your plan.

Please include your working including

Financially

Costs involved to all clubs

Payback to existing contracts

Payback to SKY for new contract starting late

Scot Gov saying GET TO f**k to Scottish football, including closed doors games as they said they didn't want folk piling round houses to watch it.

SPFL and SFA have been in constant contact with Scot Gov, updates are publicised.

UEFA deadlines

Euro games and the calendar

Ignoring England,Italy, Spain, Germany etc as they are completely irrelevant. Different legislatures, laws, infection rates etc.

The fact that Aberdeen have had a positive COVID test from a player

ST Mirren now have 7 backroom staff positive. With this news it's pretty unlikely players haven't caught it. Possible also that their opponents in friendlies may have caught it.

There is a lot more, but I'll keep it simple.

HEARTS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH SELF INTEREST FROM DAY 1!!!!

THE RECONSTRUCTION PROPOSALS WERE FUCKING SHITE AND WRITTEN UP BY A MORON WITH ONE THING IN MIND, SAVING HEARTS.

It still won't get through your head that Budge's proposals were absolute bollocks. Not once did the " failure of a club owner" pick up the phone and lobby the chair persons/CEOs she NEEDED to back her plan, listen to their issues and "improve" her plan. Speak to and convince these heads of clubs that her plan was solid, especially after the.shenanigans with Hearts, ICT and Rangers.

Now there has been debate on here. Looking at facts and seeing what could be done, looking at Gov responses etc. You have contributed like a "sound bite" politician, saying buzzwords but nothing substantial behind them. Give us the meat to your ideas.

I'll use the phrase again...shit or get off the pot! Put forward how what you say could be done or it will prove your devoid of ideas and repeating buzzwords with nothing to back it up.

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Oh how "unfair". Am I doing this right?
Finishing the league *could* have been possible. A way *could* have been found. They didn't even fucking discuss it, while other leagues found way.
After that, reconstruction was the next best option for everyone. Another cluster f**k of self-interest and spite. 
And what about the playoffs. What's your reasoning for the playoffs not happening as a mini tournament now we have contact football?


Wah! Wah!

How do you know they didn't? They argued for the "no harm" option from the start.


Wah! Wah!

 
If there are solutions that are obviously "unfair" and ones that are obviously "fair" which do you think should be the one to focus on?


Wah! Wah!

Somebody phone this clown a wahmbulance!
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17 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

I think you've been shouting unfair from the start so no need to change your record now.

A way could have been found? 

Can you actually engage your brain and answer the fecking questions that you've had weeks and weeks to think up answers for?

How? Give us a plan rather than just thickly and obtusely going "could have".

When? Give us your plan.

Please include your working including

Financially

Costs involved to all clubs

Payback to existing contracts

Payback to SKY for new contract starting late

Scot Gov saying GET TO f**k to Scottish football, including closed doors games as they said they didn't want folk piling round houses to watch it.

SPFL and SFA have been in constant contact with Scot Gov, updates are publicised.

UEFA deadlines

Euro games and the calendar

Ignoring England,Italy, Spain, Germany etc as they are completely irrelevant. Different legislatures, laws, infection rates etc.

The fact that Aberdeen have had a positive COVID test from a player

ST Mirren now have 7 backroom staff positive. With this news it's pretty unlikely players haven't caught it. Possible also that their opponents in friendlies may have caught it.

There is a lot more, but I'll keep it simple.

HEARTS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH SELF INTEREST FROM DAY 1!!!!

THE RECONSTRUCTION PROPOSALS WERE FUCKING SHITE AND WRITTEN UP BY A MORON WITH ONE THING IN MIND, SAVING HEARTS.

It still won't get through your head that Budge's proposals were absolute bollocks. Not once did the " failure of a club owner" pick up the phone and lobby the chair persons/CEOs she NEEDED to back her plan, listen to their issues and "improve" her plan. Speak to and convince these heads of clubs that her plan was solid, especially after the.shenanigans with Hearts, ICT and Rangers.

Now there has been debate on here. Looking at facts and seeing what could be done, looking at Gov responses etc. You have contributed like a "sound bite" politician, saying buzzwords but nothing substantial behind them. Give us the meat to your ideas.

I'll use the phrase again...shit or get off the pot! Put forward how what you say could be done or it will prove your devoid of ideas and repeating buzzwords with nothing to back it up.

 

Good grief.

So that's a no -  the play-offs couldn't have been played either? For what reason again... must have missed it in your rant there?

The reconstruction proposal voted on was Livingston FC's proposal by the way. It was a perfectly reasonable solution that took the "do no harm" approach for finding a solution to this whole mess. You might change your view on reconstruction soon 😅

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14 minutes ago, Tartantony said:

 


Wah! Wah!



Wah! Wah!



Wah! Wah!

Somebody phone this clown a wahmbulance!

 

Derek McInnes, Les Gray, D Utd's new manager, John Collins, head of the SFA, numerous other clubs around the world, most sane people - just a few of the non Hearts/PT fans to think and voice that this was the most unfair way to go about things form the options available.

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Derek McInnes, Les Gray, D Utd's new manager, John Collins, head of the SFA, numerous other clubs around the world, most sane people - just a few of the non Hearts/PT fans to think and voice that this was the most unfair way to go about things form the options available.
Serious question...does all this endless repetition make you feel any better about it ?
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