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To use a Tom English phrase, why did Hearts not just 'pick up the phone' and ask Ibrox for their crushing dossier that brought the SPFL and Scottish football to its knees? 90% of the stuff handed in will be irrelevant and a small part of the 10% will be in the look! Look! category without adding up to anything that hasn't been gone over God knows how many times in public already.

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Just now, rainbowrising said:

To use a Tom English phrase, why did Hearts not just 'pick up the phone' and ask Ibrox for their crushing dossier that brought the SPFL and Scottish football to its knees? 90% of the stuff handed in will be irrelevant and a small part of the 10% will be in the look! Look! category without adding up to anything that hasn't been gone over God knows how many times in public already.

Not sure what you mean. Hearts have a copy of that dossier, and about 2/3 of Hearts' petition is based on stuff that was covered in the Ibrox dossier.

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4 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

Not sure what you mean. Hearts have a copy of that dossier, and about 2/3 of Hearts' petition is based on stuff that was covered in the Ibrox dossier.

Sevco have played this masterfully. Priming up Hearts, paying thistle's fees. And then sitting back and pulling the strings. 

They will stop nine a row yet.

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Hearts confirming what should be pretty obvious.  Unfortunately the narrative has been us and Partick deliberately taking aim at individual clubs when it's clearly the SPFL as an organisation we are against.  

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement-1-2-3

"As a matter of urgency, we would like to clarify our position in relation to the role being played by Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers in our case against the SPFL.

Those clubs were named in the Petition, along with Stranraer, because they are the clubs most likely to be impacted by a decision in our favour. We are not, and have never been, in direct dispute with them.

The SPFL is opposing our Petition and will do so at the forthcoming arbitration.  Dundee United, Raith Rovers and Cove Rangers were not therefore required to litigate or arbitrate against us.  However, they chose to do so. 

For the avoidance of doubt, we accept that was a choice they were fully entitled to make, no doubt having been fully advised of the risks and costs.  We absolutely know and understand that was not a decision to be taken lightly.

This is not about two Clubs, Hearts and Partick Thistle, battling against other member Clubs. This is about these two Clubs battling against the organisation, which is meant to look after all of our interests, and holding them accountable for their prejudicial actions. We would contend that any Club in our position would be taking similar action.

However, encouraging clubs to fund anyone’s costs in this process could create further division. We consider such an approach to be at odds with the fundamental requirement of the SPFL rules that the SPFL and each Club shall behave towards each other with the utmost good faith.  We cannot therefore let that pass without comment."

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1 minute ago, Insaintee said:

Sevco have played this masterfully. Priming up Hearts, paying thistle's fees. And then sitting back and pulling the strings. 

They will stop nine a row yet.

I thought the consensus was it was Hearts that were paying Thistle's fees?  Well, James Anderson.

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The 2 United boys walking from Tynecastle to Tannadice have raised £26,000 and climbing for legal fees. Cove Rangers doing similar.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Tynecastle-to-Tannadice--walk

https://www.gofundme.com/f/balmoral-to-tannadice-walk

Hearts issue statement in response.

IT'S NO FAIR!!!!

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8 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said:

Hearts confirming what should be pretty obvious.  Unfortunately the narrative has been us and Partick deliberately taking aim at individual clubs when it's clearly the SPFL as an organisation we are against. 

Far from being obvious, that statement is wrong and it is misleading.

Hearts are challenging the vote of member clubs, and calling all of the chairmen unreasonable, in formal language written down in court proceedings, which they intend to prove as a point of law. They're trying to avoid relegation at the expense of other member clubs - or, failing that, take 40% of next season's prize money for all member clubs to themselves. The whole dispute is essentially Hearts and Thistle versus the rest of the SPFL. The story that this is Hearts versus Neil Doncaster is just the need to concoct an evil supervillain to make it more palatable to the squealing porcine masses.

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23 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

 

We were always starting 1 August but thanks anyway Nippy. 🖕🇬🇧🇬🇧

Er, no, without written approval from the Scottish Government, the season would not have started on August 1st. Period. 

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8 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

Far from being obvious, that statement is wrong and it is misleading.

Hearts are challenging the vote of member clubs, and calling all of the chairmen unreasonable, in formal language written down in court proceedings, which they intend to prove as a point of law. They're trying to avoid relegation at the expense of other member clubs - or, failing that, take 40% of next season's prize money for all member clubs to themselves. The whole dispute is essentially Hearts and Thistle versus the rest of the SPFL. The story that this is Hearts versus Neil Doncaster is just the need to concoct an evil supervillain to make it more palatable to the squealing porcine masses.

It's obvious in the fact we haven't deliberately targeted DU, RR and CR, confirmed by the fact there was no legal onus on them to litigate or arbitrate against us.

Your other points there's no point in replying to, it's been done back and forth by dozens of posters.  Frankly, the sooner this is all over the better.

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21 minutes ago, Insaintee said:

Sevco have played this masterfully. Priming up Hearts, paying thistle's fees. And then sitting back and pulling the strings. 

They will stop nine a row yet.

Rangers are paying Partick Thistle's fees? That's news to me. What's your source?

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7 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said:

It's obvious in the fact we haven't deliberately targeted DU, RR and CR, confirmed by the fact there was no legal onus on them to litigate or arbitrate against us.

Your other points there's no point in replying to, it's been done back and forth by dozens of posters.  Frankly, the sooner this is all over the better.

There was no legal onus on the SPFL to respond either. They could have ignored it and sucked up the default judgement. But they obviously had to do it because the lawsuit was going to target them and cost them a shitton. Likewise, the three clubs would have to reply if they didn't want to lose a shitton - £10 million between Raith and United, if the petition's assessment of the cost of being in a lower league, as opposed to a higher one isn't a fantasy pulled-out-of-their-arse figure. And the SPFL's defence is not going to be the same as the three clubs defence - the three clubs have to be the guys paying the lawyers if they want the lawyer to represent their interests.

As for the other points - it was a retort to Hearts statement; they felt the need to rehash that argument, I'll just autopilot the response.

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36 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

 

We were always starting 1 August but thanks anyway Nippy. 🖕🇬🇧🇬🇧

Slightly off topic, but would you mind telling me how you embedded the tweet in your post please?

I tried (and failed) to do it many times on my previous post haha. Sorry, newbie to the forum.

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31 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said:

I thought the consensus was it was Hearts that were paying Thistle's fees?  Well, James Anderson.

No, your QC is a Partick Thistle fan working for free.  Not sure if Hearts are solely covering the rest of the costs on that basis. 

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8 minutes ago, AJF said:

Slightly off topic, but would you mind telling me how you embedded the tweet in your post please?

I tried (and failed) to do it many times on my previous post haha. Sorry, newbie to the forum.

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Then paste as plain text.

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