Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, ArabFC said: Aye. But my point is there has to be some bounds to the powers of an SFA appointed arbitration panel. It's whatever the SFA and/or the members involved agree to. If you want the legal chapter and verse on this stuff, there is the 2010 Arbitration Act, though it won't be easy reading: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/1/contents 19 minutes ago, ArabFC said: I'm wondering what they are, because reading through this thread, all I'm thinking is, this isn't what they'll be arbitrating, they won't have the authority to do that etc etc Well here, Hearts want compensation and/or halting relegation. SPFL doesn't want to give them that. Both sides (reluctantly in the case of Hearts) agreed to let the arbitrator decide by being part of the SFA. 19 minutes ago, ArabFC said: And maybe I'm wrong, but the whole basis of the cases seems to me to be the Dundee vote, and if it is, if a panel finds in Hearts favour, wouldn't it all just go back to another vote? You're wrong. The basis of the case isn't wholly the Dundee vote. Hearts fans seem to think it is, because it's the one thing that looks like a smoking gun to folks who think this is Perry Mason. Most of it relates to the notion that Neil Doncaster supposedly misled the clubs about being unable to pay prize money before the league positions were finalized, and also that the decision to relegate Hearts and Thistle were unreasonable. The Dundee vote seems to me to be a bit of a sideshow. And no, there is no likelihood of another vote. If the court/arbitrator rules for Hearts, either relegation is stopped, or some compensation is awarded (assuming that Hearts doesn't materially change the petition in the new forum). It would be highly unlikely and impractical to order another vote - and certainly not if neither party considers that a viable option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gorgie greatness said: Could the P&B interlopers get off Kickback I can’t get on. They're doing you a favour, not a happy place. Meanwhile here's a deluded straw grasping summary by @JTS98 's favourite. Enjoy!. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They're doing you a favour, not a happy place. Meanwhile here's a deluded straw grasping summary by @JTS98 's favourite. Enjoy!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooseLee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 There's not a fan of other clubs on here wouldn't have expected their club to have taken the same action if it had happened to them. There were other options available to the league and none if you can say that this was the fairest. Does every poster here who is celebrating think that the spfl have handled this well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 17:16, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: Lovely. I won’t put words into your mout but you’re obviously of the opposite view of myself. You are 100% confident this isn’t going to a full court case? Haven’t said anything other than that. As soon as judge grants that then it’s victory for Low & Budge as the SPFL will fold like a house of cards. On 02/07/2020 at 17:36, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: The SPFL ‘rules’ or ‘articles’ of you prefer are so weak that i’ve seen better in a Golf Club’s!! Thistle & Hearts only need to win the right to a full hearing. SPFL will have no choice than to fold like a pack of cards. Their balance sheet tells you they as the organisation can’t afford to settle out of Court & that’s without mention about seeing Mr Doncaster in a witness box. I can’t see many of the other member clubs wanting it to go to a full hearing as it will cripple the game as well as their finances. Reconstruction then all of a sudden is backed by all. What Thistle & Hearts wanted all along. Low & Budge haven’t covered themselves in glory with their own fans last couple of seasons but they’re sure making up for it now.* *Or whoever it is that’s financing Thistle case. On 02/07/2020 at 17:54, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: Doncaster doesn’t have anything personal to lose tho (UEFA ethics committee post aside) but I doubt that the full hearing will happen as SPFL organisation/member clubs too much to lose. Reconstruction looking more & more like the only escape route for all clubs now, not just Thistle & Hearts. As the judge said yesterday, arbitration by the SFA could even see it end up in court again & therefore league season halted. On 02/07/2020 at 18:00, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: Full hearing will mean a delay to league season. Full hearing will mean member clubs hoping the result goes their way as won’t be the SPFL organisation that would pay damages. It’s not rocket science. As I said weeks ago, the SPFL clubs are their own worse enemy. They kicked the can continually down the road re reconstruction then could not find a consensus between them. Unfortunately for them (Premiership clubs) the timescale now favours Thistle & Hearts: should, as I now expect, a full hearing is granted by Lord Clark. Not saying they’ll win it, but can the SPFL (other member clubs) take the chance? Imo, no. Hence why I think reconstruction will eventually happen: On 02/07/2020 at 18:04, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: Can’t back the reconstruction up with facts but what other avenues are there? Keep saying it. Full court hearing = likely delay to premiership hearing = chance other SPFL member clubs being hit financially every which way. Then there’s fact SPFL organisation balance sheet shows more liabilities than assets. Can many afford that post Covid? Not many could afford it ore Covid. Facebook? What age are you? 15? On 02/07/2020 at 18:11, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: There’s not lots of time. Even this has gone into a 3rd day and perhaps even be back Monday now: On 02/07/2020 at 18:32, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: The SPFL cannot afford the risk of a full hearing. They want this thrown out now. Failing that, it will be some form of out of court. Financial? Well I guess they’ll have to put that to a vote to all its members. Wonder if they’ll apply the 28 days according to their rule book? What then if it doesn’t pass? Reconstruction? What then if it doesn’t pass? Back to court & they lose money either way tho arguably if they won a full hearing (gamble) then members would be recompensed. Still the big but there.... It’s a mess. Not necessarily of the SPFL as an organisation’s making but certainly of its member clubs. As for being low on facts. The facts are there. Not my job to point out what you’ve missed or dont understand. On 02/07/2020 at 18:37, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: You say that as if you’re 100% certain. Hearts QC drove a coach & horses through their rules already and we’ve not even heard from the Thistle lawyers yet. Thistle case is stronger than Hearts btw. Get dialled in for tomorrow. Bring the On 02/07/2020 at 18:52, Roy McGregor brown stuff said: Aye ok then. Read up on those SPFL rules. Didn’t realise I was talking to someone with such in-depth knowledge of the case. My mistake. & Here was me thinking this wasn’t the bar exam messageboard. I’m so sorry. You've been very quiet today mate... 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, HooseLee said: 1. There's not a fan of other clubs on here wouldn't have expected their club to have taken the same action if it had happened to them. 2. There were other options available to the league and none if you can say that this was the fairest. 3. Does every poster here who is celebrating think that the spfl have handled this well? 1. That's a completely hypothetical question, noone can know but there's a general agreement there wouldn't be the same sense of entitlement. 2. Yes we can. It was the fairest, or certainly no less fair than another options. Only less fair to the teams in question. 3. Not ideally, probably not brilliantly, but that's not really relevant to things being "fair" or not, is it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HooseLee said: There's not a fan of other clubs on here wouldn't have expected their club to have taken the same action if it had happened to them. There were other options available to the league and none if you can say that this was the fairest. Does every poster here who is celebrating think that the spfl have handled this well? I wouldn't have wanted my club to take it to court. The other options were very legally and democratically voted down. The SPFL have handled this as well as they could by putting each option to a vote. Tell us what they should have done instead. Edited July 3, 2020 by DA Baracus 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arabdelic Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, HooseLee said: There's not a fan of other clubs on here wouldn't have expected their club to have taken the same action if it had happened to them. There were other options available to the league and none if you can say that this was the fairest. Does every poster here who is celebrating think that the spfl have handled this well? Of course its not fair but given clubs voted against reconstruction there is no other option and in these circumstances there is a degree of sympathy for clubs being relegated. However, what Hearts and Thistle are doing is trying to save themselves by holding a gun to the rest of Scottish football and Partick Thistle who haven't won a game in 2020 have a brass neck trying to penalise Dundee United 14 point clear in the division. Hearts also tried to hatch a plan with Rangers and Inverness to null and void the season, again penalising the teams who actually performed well. Budge's false care for Scottish football with reconstruction was seen right through especially by a lot of the smaller clubs if Budge had her way from comments a year before would have been obliterated. One of the many reason goodwill has been in short supply. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, HooseLee said: There's not a fan of other clubs on here wouldn't have expected their club to have taken the same action if it had happened to them. There were other options available to the league and none if you can say that this was the fairest. Does every poster here who is celebrating think that the spfl have handled this well? Honestly, there's 600+ pages of people on this thread roundly dismissing all your points here. There's no point arguing as it's been done to death, and also you clearly won't be swayed, so shall we just leave it? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooseLee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: 1. That's a completely hypothetical question, noone can know but there's a general agreement there wouldn't be the same sense of entitlement. 2. Yes we can. It was the fairest, or certainly no less fair than another options. Only less fair to the teams in question. 3. Not ideally, probably not brilliantly, but that's not really relevant to things being "fair" or not, is it? Off course it's relevant to being fair. There were other options available. The spfl were too quick of the mark to call the season over. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, HooseLee said: Off course it's relevant to being fair. There were other options available. The spfl were too quick of the mark to call the season over. Fuckin hell, not another one 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooseLee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said: Honestly, there's 600+ pages of people on this thread roundly dismissing all your points here. There's no point arguing as it's been done to death, and also you clearly won't be swayed, so shall we just leave it? We better leave it... I'd have thump cramp by the time I had one person agreeing with any of my points. You've saved my weekend. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, HooseLee said: Off course it's relevant to being fair. There were other options available. The spfl were too quick of the mark to call the season over. Moron and/or troll found. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooseLee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, DA Baracus said: Moron and/or troll found. Not trolling just asking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, HooseLee said: Off course it's relevant to being fair. There were other options available. The spfl were too quick of the mark to call the season over. I guess that's for the arbitrators to decide old chum, with various committees and democratic decisions having already decided it was fair, and the court telling them to take their childish nonsense elsewhere. Apparently the fans of those clubs who were dugmeat all season and Tom English might not be the best judges of what's fair. But there we go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, HooseLee said: Off course it's relevant to being fair. There were other options available. The spfl were too quick of the mark to call the season over. I think you mean the SPFL members were too quick off the mark. You'll recall there was a vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, HooseLee said: Not trolling just asking. No you aren't. You know fine well that the season couldn't be finished. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooseLee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, DA Baracus said: No you aren't. You know fine well that the season couldn't be finished. You're going have to take my word on that. Though I don't think you will due to you just looking for an argument... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, HooseLee said: You're going have to take my word on that. Though I don't think you will due to you just looking for an argument... Ok. Explain the other options, bearing in mind that the season could not be finished. Also bear in mind that all options would have to be put to a vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Be an awful shame if Hearts got punted & had to restart in the EOS First Division, a tier below Tynecastle FC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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