craigkillie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, paranoid android said: And certainly has nowhere near the level of influence Doncaster has, I would have thought. He's the chief-executive of the SFA, probably the most influential role in Scottish football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Aim Here said: The SFA would punt the arbitration out to independent third parties - like the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They don't do this stuff themselves. 'Excusing themselves' is exactly the first thing they do. If the SFA are involved in it in ay way, there's only one way it will go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, paranoid android said: If the SFA are to arbitrate, surely they'll have to excuse themselves from involvement? I've no idea how it works. 3 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Maxwell? He's a fucking idiot. No friend of Thistle. He was at your club for well over a decade, both playing, coaching, then as Managing Director. 1 minute ago, paranoid android said: And certainly has nowhere near the level of influence Doncaster has, I would have thought. Maxwell is higher up the SFA chain, and with Petrie out the picture, will be leading the SFA just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, craigkillie said: He's the chief-executive of the SFA, probably the most influential role in Scottish football. Aye, but he's with Partick. Nae offence, Partick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aim Here said: The SFA would punt the arbitration out to independent third parties - like the Court of Arbitration for Sport. They don't do this stuff themselves. 'Excusing themselves' is exactly the first thing they do. Only if they thought the organisation as a whole was incapable of handling it neutrally. An example of that would be the Man City European ban by UEFA. City haven't gone to court, FA or UEFA, they've gone to CAS. 3 minutes ago, paranoid android said: And certainly has nowhere near the level of influence Doncaster has, I would have thought. If Doncaster had any real influence the clubs would have voted for 14-10-10-10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, paranoid android said: If the SFA are involved in it in ay way, there's only one way it will go. Indeed. Also, that's the same way it would go in the Court of Session. Except that you'd have less chance of being hit with a £500,000 fine and expelled from the league for a year if it's the SFA doing the arbitration! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, paranoid android said: Aye, but he's with Partick. Nae offence, Partick. He has nothing to do with Partick Thistle - leading the SFA is a full-time role. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, paranoid android said: If the SFA are involved in it in ay way, there's only one way it will go. They're not involved, apart from facilitating the process. There will be a panel of three. One chosen by each side, and an independent chairman - agreed by the other two - who must be a senior lawyer or judge. It's all in the SFA's Areticle 99. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 What influence do folk think Doncaster has? Also, there surely aren't folk who still think he's the problem and that replacing him would sort things, or at least go a long way towards that? Given the series of votes held, are folk still that ignorant over everything? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: He was at your club for well over a decade, both playing, coaching, then as Managing Director. 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: He has nothing to do with Partick Thistle - leading the SFA is a full-time role. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: What influence do folk think Doncaster has? Also, there surely aren't folk who still think he's the problem and that replacing him would sort things, or at least go a long way towards that? Given the series of votes held, are folk still that ignorant over everything? He seems to have had some influence over John Nelms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: What influence do folk think Doncaster has? Also, there surely aren't folk who still think he's the problem and that replacing him would sort things, or at least go a long way towards that? Given the series of votes held, are folk still that ignorant over everything? The problem is that if Neil Doncaster isn't the Arch Evil Bossmonster Overlord of Scottish Fitba', that means that Hearts and Thistle have to see themselves as being opposed to 26-32 club chairmen and the footballing and financial interests of 26-32 SPFL clubs, and that's a fight that you can never win by digging out a single email from a quarantine server or waving a document at the judge and saying 'Aha! Smoking Gun!'. If it wasn't Neil Doncaster it'd be Peter Lawwell and if it wasn't Peter Lawwell it'd be Rod Petrie. People just aren't used to thinking in terms of organizations actually having conflicting interests. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 First ruling is that the case won't be dismissed, as expected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) "WHUT UR YE GOIN TAE COURT WI" Edited July 3, 2020 by SEETHING 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RossBFaeDundee said: First ruling is that the case won't be dismissed, as expected. Hearts have a case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Mr. X said: Hearts have a case? Clearly. The question is, and had always been, is it the court's position to consider it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Disappointed to discover that Lord Clark was presumably unaware of the legally insightful postings from St Mirren and Dundee fans (and a St Johnstone fan's Mrs) on Pie and Bovril dot com. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, SEETHING said: "WHUT UR YE GOIN TAE COURT WI" Getting ahead o yersel lad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) So far as I understand it, all that's happened is that the Lord Clark has dismissed the suggestion that the matter must go to SFA arbitration? He hasn't ruled at all on the substance of the claim. I'd be careful as a Thistle fan, and would recommend Hearts fans were likewise careful, to proclaim victory based on the case not being dismissed outright getting past the most basic of first hurdles necessary to get anything out of this case . ETA: I'm not dialled in and seeing some conflicting stuff on social media. I know DU/RR/CR motion to dismiss was refused but not clear what else has been decided? Edited July 3, 2020 by Ad Lib 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Ad Lib said: So far as I understand it, all that's happened is that the Lord Clark has dismissed the suggestion that the matter must go to SFA arbitration? He hasn't ruled at all on the substance of the claim. I'd be careful as a Thistle fan, and would recommend Hearts fans were likewise careful, to proclaim victory based on getting past the most basic of first hurdles necessary to get anything out of this case. Shh don't discourage it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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