League Reconstruction 20/21 season

[Phillips455]

20 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Falkirk were denied for not agreeing a groundshare, and just having a verbal agreement with Airdrie. 

SPL clubs refused as, due to SPL/SFL being separate, there was no guarantee they could avoid fixture clashes to use Airdries ground.

ah. I assumed that they had a written agreement. It has been a long time and i was only a kid at the time. 

[Aubrey Maturin]

17 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

Good morning everyone, Hearts still relegated?

No it was all just a dream

Edited June 20, 2020 by Tynierose

[DeeTillEhDeh]

How about the next few weeks

With teams missing half their squads?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

This is my point also, especially with the way Tom English spouts forth. Everytime he(or others to be fair) brings up Kelty and Brora being denied promotion. They weren't/haven't been, they've been denied a play off to have a play off see if they can win a promotion. As have...
ICT
Ayr United
Dundee
Arbroath (possibly)
Falkirk
Airdrie
Montrose
East Fife
Edinburgh City
Elgin
Cowdenbeath
Queens Park
Many voted to give this up for what they felt was for the best for Scottish Football, not just "f**k Hearts and Patrick!" (Stranraer were 9pts adrift).  Them you have English telling Cowdenbeath's Donald Findlay, when this was pointed out, "were you really?" & Telling him your form wasn't good enough. They were in 4th place, a play off place. They had more chance of a playoff than Hearts of avoiding relegation.
Then there is the lack of relegation for Brechin. I think they mean Brechin avoid a playoff to see if they stay up or go down. Exactly the same as
Hamilton
Ross County
St. Mirren
QoS
Alloa
Forfar
Peterhead
Who were all in playoff place or could easily have ended up in it. But, but Brechin
"Tainted titles", shouldn't get promotion because season never finished, so how does that square with Kelty Hearts? 5 games to go 6 pts clear of Bonnyrigg Rose who had a game in hand. Yet they should be promoted??
 
There are always going to be winners & losers, it is unavoidable. But there is some amount of truth bending, facts being ignored and similar situations airbrushed if they don't fit the point. In short there is some amount of absolute bollocks talked from press, fans, clubs etc. You can't focus on one "escape"/"wrong doing" while ignoring the rest.
 

You could also add Morton and Dunfermline to that list as they were also just outside the playoffs.

[Blue Brazil Forever]

27 minutes ago, Well Well said:

WTF....Why do you keeping feeding him...we are sick to death of the Colts chat, its dead...Start another thread please

I thought this thread was about league reconstruction with an emphasis on Hearts.  My posts take that intro account and there are numerous threads about Colts participation in the League. When you get relegated next (truncated) season , you might be glad of an opportunity to take on Celtic or Rangers Colts.

[wastecoatwilly]

2 hours ago, Forest_Fifer said:

10 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said:

The fact that Celtic are buying players from this trickle down effect also helps the Scottish game,Celtic are leaving the Scottish market alone and looking else where.
You said it yourself the level of player in Scotland isn't good enough, it cost Celtic 1.2 million to get Jack Hendry or 300 grand for Frimpong where would you shop.

I agree they're certain positions in the Scottish national team that are not good enough we're about 4 or 5 players away from being at a major tournament.
For me this is an improvement from 5 years ago so the national team is going in the correct direction.
Next season I will be looking for an apology when we beat Norway and Serbia.   

Are you still fucking banging on about colts? It's not happening, sit down and shut up. Or at least take it to another thread, this one is for laughing at Hearts.

I forgot the infant behavior of tears and snotters, the tarts are already doon it's just the compensation to be worked out.
What do you think of Daniel Church?

[Tannadeechee]

8 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

13 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

This is my point also, especially with the way Tom English spouts forth. Everytime he(or others to be fair) brings up Kelty and Brora being denied promotion. They weren't/haven't been, they've been denied a play off to have a play off see if they can win a promotion. As have...
ICT
Ayr United
Dundee
Arbroath (possibly)
Falkirk
Airdrie
Montrose
East Fife
Edinburgh City
Elgin
Cowdenbeath
Queens Park
Many voted to give this up for what they felt was for the best for Scottish Football, not just "f**k Hearts and Patrick!" (Stranraer were 9pts adrift).  Them you have English telling Cowdenbeath's Donald Findlay, when this was pointed out, "were you really?" & Telling him your form wasn't good enough. They were in 4th place, a play off place. They had more chance of a playoff than Hearts of avoiding relegation.
Then there is the lack of relegation for Brechin. I think they mean Brechin avoid a playoff to see if they stay up or go down. Exactly the same as
Hamilton
Ross County
St. Mirren
QoS
Alloa
Forfar
Peterhead
Who were all in playoff place or could easily have ended up in it. But, but Brechin
"Tainted titles", shouldn't get promotion because season never finished, so how does that square with Kelty Hearts? 5 games to go 6 pts clear of Bonnyrigg Rose who had a game in hand. Yet they should be promoted??
 
There are always going to be winners & losers, it is unavoidable. But there is some amount of truth bending, facts being ignored and similar situations airbrushed if they don't fit the point. In short there is some amount of absolute bollocks talked from press, fans, clubs etc. You can't focus on one "escape"/"wrong doing" while ignoring the rest.
 

You could also add Morton and Dunfermline to that list as they were also just outside the playoffs.

Good point only 3 & 4pts back from play off place. Easy to forget that 2-7 in Championship were in with a chance of promotion playoffs and the rest relegation playoffs, pretty much everyone with something to play for. Yet inspite of this Championship voted to end.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Tannadeechee

[Pet Jeden]

50 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

1 hour ago, Pet Jeden said:

How about the next few weeks

With teams missing half their squads?

SFA could easily have done what UEFA are doing and allowed registrations to run on for a while. Don't think all these players with contract ends are all running off to be signed by other teams just now, are they?

But I can appreciate how it's easier to just say fck it - just let the teams who were bottom in March carry the can.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Pet Jeden

[RandomGuy.]

23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

When its costing English clubs £200k each to complete their plays offs, and our top flight is due to start in 5 weeks?

@Pet Jeden

this is about the 5th time we've got to this stage and youve just ignored answering this.

How do clubs pay £200k to complete the play offs, while simultaneously having to pay full squads from March to July without amy matchday income?

How is that better than allowing them to furlough all staff and let some staff leave at the end of their contracts?

[Pet Jeden]

23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

When its costing English clubs £200k each to complete their plays offs, and our top flight is due to start in 5 weeks?

Sceptical that it would cost that up here. But anyway, if your argument is that some teams can't, or can't be arsed, paying the costs to see out their league fixture obligations, then shouldn't those teams be compensating the teams who are prejudiced by those fixtures not being played out?

[Dundee Hibernian]

3 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

the teams who are prejudiced by............

.....appointing poor managers, and employing sub standard players, in recent years.

[itzdrk]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

Looking up something, and theres maybe a similar case in Scottish football before.

2003/04.

Partick finish bottom. ICT to be promoted.

ICT stadium doesnt fit criteria so they agree to groundshare with Aberdeen.

Requires a vote to allow them in, due SPL/SFL being separate organisations. 

Vote goes way of Partick, ICT denied promotion.

Hearts and Hibs claim "unclear advice" given in lead up to the vote, so want a second vote.

Partick go to court to try and prevent a second vote.

Court rules against Partick.

Second vote goes way of ICT.

It's not the exact same, but the "unclear advice" bit sounds like what Hearts have tried to argue. Half a chance all that happens is we have another vote.

They haven't cited this (or anything at all, nothing to back them up in company law other than their opinion?) strangely enough though so it is unlikely to have any impact.

[RandomGuy.]

5 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Sceptical that it would cost that up here. But anyway, if your argument is that some teams can't, or can't be arsed, paying the costs to see out their league fixture obligations, then shouldn't those teams be compensating the teams who are prejudiced by those fixtures not being played out?

Why would it cost any different?

I'm saying that your argument is it's better to force clubs to pay six figure fees, and full wages for 3 months, while having no clue what division theyll be in, instead of allowing them to hibernate, save heavily on wages, and plan for the future.

The clubs in the play offs voted against hosting play offs.

[Aim Here]

Just now, Pet Jeden said:

Sceptical that it would cost that up here. But anyway, if your argument is that some teams can't, or can't be arsed, paying the costs to see out their league fixture obligations, then shouldn't those teams be compensating the teams who are prejudiced by those fixtures not being played out?

It's about £5k per game per team, so £10k for a playoff. Meaning Brora and Kelty are gambling £10k or £20k on getting to the league, with no guarantee on getting there, which is surely prohibitive. £200k might be the total cost for all teams combined.

As for demanding that teams who can't afford to play football without income due to the coronavirus, paying out money to teams that claim they can afford to play games - are you even bothering to listen to the insane and impossible fantasyland guff you're spouting? How do you think forcing teams with no money to pay money to teams that have money will go?

[Spring Onion]

1 minute ago, Aim Here said:

It's about £5k per game per team, so £10k for a playoff. Meaning Brora and Kelty are gambling £10k or £20k on getting to the league, with no guarantee on getting there, which is surely prohibitive. £200k might be the total cost for all teams combined.

As for demanding that teams who can't afford to play football without income due to the coronavirus, paying out money to teams that claim they can afford to play games - are you even bothering to listen to the insane and impossible fantasyland guff you're spouting? How do you think forcing teams with no money to pay money to teams that have money will go?

But before players can train together properly they will have to be tested at least twice weekly for weeks before they even play the game, so probably a lot more to get you up and running.

[Lebowski]

Have Stranraer attempted to join the shitness protection scheme yet?

[itzdrk]

3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Have Stranraer attempted to join the shitness protection scheme yet?

They don't need to the way it's been structured.  They can make a follow up financial claim should this be successful.  

Plan A doesn't need them though as they aim to stop promotion and relegation. 

[RandomGuy.]

7 minutes ago, Spring Onion said:

But before players can train together properly they will have to be tested at least twice weekly for weeks before they even play the game, so probably a lot more to get you up and running.

You've also, going from other examples, got to keep your players isolated for 24hrs before the game (clubs using hotels), and then you have to have multiple ways of transport to games as you need to keep players socially distanced (english clubs are using 3 buses for their matchday squad)

[Wilbur]

From today's Times, a Rangers fan's view of the Hearts meltdown ……..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ann-budge-has-made-her-move-but-injustice-is-not-the-author-of-hearts-fate-rzjwmvh8l

 

[Golden Gordon]

10 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said:

My take on it would be after the first year the best players would be put out on loan at a higher level and replaced with the U18's after the second year the same process but the players having had 2 seasons in league 2 will be released plus there will be players fast tracked into the Celtic first team.the conveyor belt will be more efficient.
The idea of the colt teams is to improve the level from the bottom upwards, it would be a surprise if Celtic got a similar success rate as say the class of 92.
Celtic will be lucky if they get 2 or 3 into the first team each year so to say it will only benefit Celtic I totally disagree.

Did you not previously state that one of the benefits of Celtic having a colt team would be that there would be less young Celtic players available for loan, thereby providing other Scottish clubs with the opportunity to develop their own youth prospects?