RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JTS98 said: The medicine is the relegation battle that Roy got to vote his team out of. Doing that then insisting that another team 'take their medicine' is quite clearly hypocritical. But it's fitba and it's tribal, so you'll pretend you don't see that. Even though it's staggeringly clear. I'm sure we're all completely that stunned that Ross County, one of 42 clubs in the SPFL in direct competition with the others, has done/said something for their own gain. It really is staggering that a sport that is entirely about gaining an edge over your rivals by any means necessary, sees clubs trying to gain an edge over other clubs. I've zero idea why, when Scottish football has been rife with clubs encouraging diving/cheating, clubs talking to players/managers under contract to entice them to move/unsettle them, clubs spending well beyond their means and not paying back debts to other clubs, people seem to find it surprising that nobody gives a f**k about helping each other when every club is fighting to survive. Look around the world, and you wont see a single league of football that's "voted for the greater good", because this is competitive sport, and that doesnt exist. Edited June 14, 2020 by RandomGuy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 With the reconstruction vote and possible court actions looming, could the SFA/SPFL actually suspend a club's membership until all is sorted ? or could a club be thrown out altogether ? Just wondering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: It really is staggering that a sport that is entirely about gaining an edge over your rivals by any means necessary, sees clubs trying to gain an edge over other clubs. Good to see you're onside with Hearts' threat of legal action. Your support is welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) Mind when Caley secured promotion and they changed the 10k seat rule to 7k? Mind that Partick went to court cause they had to build 10k the year before and mewled that we should do the same? Mind that?? I do. Get fucking down you utter irrelevance. Edited June 14, 2020 by HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Good to see you're onside with Hearts' threat of legal action. Your support is welcome. Hearts have nothing, as the whole process has been done over a democratic vote and, ironically, theyve left it too late to claim the season can be finished. Your only argument could be that relegation wasnt necessary, but since you've allowed a vote that contains that, and it's likely to fail, you wont have anything there either. I'll never understand why Budge decided against legal action straight away, when you would have a genuine case to argue relegation was decided too early, and instead voted to end the season and then tried every dark arts way around the problem instead and has now reached the stage where all her arguments have been voted down. Edited June 14, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Hearts have nothing, as the whole process has been done over a democratic vote and, ironically, theyve left it too late to claim the season can be finished. Random Guy QC's got it all sorted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Stagsby Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, JTS98 said: The medicine is the relegation battle that Roy got to vote his team out of. was fully engaged in up until the point that a global pandemic stopped all sport in the country and Roy voted exactly the same way as Hearts and everyone else in the league to end the season there and then, not in order to avoid said relegation battle but to save lives. Doing that then insisting that another team 'take their medicine' is quite clearly hypocritical. was the only responsible option and if we hadn't done it we've have looked absolutely ridiculous as the only team not to. But it's fitba and it's tribal, so you'll pretend You don't see that?. Even though it's staggeringly clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Great Stagsby said: Not to avoid relegation but to save lives? Sanctimonious Champions League wrapped up there. My goodness. Top marks for falsely conflating issues there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Random Guy QC's got it all sorted. Well considering Hearts fans crowning glory is that the French clubs "got relegation reversed", when in reality a judge just said it was too early and relegation wasnt necessary, so go back, decide on a plan and vote on it, suggests that clubs trying for months to come up with a plan, and voting on relegation, probably means Hearts have absolutely f**k all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Guaranteed hunnars of greenies. That's what counts. Hearts are £3M down and Saints will be trousering £50k of the "secret philanthropist's" money, all down to successful businesswoman Anne Budge's misreading of the situation - that's all that's been guaranteed so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Well considering Hearts fans Yes, the Hearts fans are of course Mrs Budge's first and only port of call for legal advice. We do it on a Whastapp group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Green Day said: Partick Thistle statement, with added "self interest bingo" game included - I have bolded one, but there are many more................ Saturday 13th June, 2020 at 12:30pm “We have kept our counsel during current discussions and debate about reconstruction. It may prove to be the ultimate exercise in futility but this may be our last opportunity to speak out. “If there is no change to the current set up, Partick Thistle will be the Scottish club hardest hit in professional football as the new season starts. “Despite being relegated in an arbitrary fashion – with a game in hand and only two points behind our nearest rivals – we stand ready, willing and able to play, including behind closed doors. But today, we still don’t know when or even if we will play football next season. “Does anyone in Scottish football believe we deserve to be punished with a double whammy like this? Which club would find it acceptable if they were in our shoes? Not one of them. “Clubs need to think carefully about what their indicative vote to the SPFL will be on Monday and what will inform that decision. Everyone needs to reflect on their motives and thoughts behind their next step. “Let’s be blunt in our plea to fellow clubs so that there’s no misunderstanding. Use this opportunity to do something positive for our game – right the wrongs done to us and a number of other clubs. “We all want to protect our own club; Thistle is no different. But there’s a difference between that and self-interest, which seeks to protect a perceived advantage created by an unforeseen crisis. “Don’t use your vote to settle old scores. Don’t reinforce rivalries between clubs just to keep fans happy. Don’t turn a blind eye because it doesn’t impact on you – this time. “Recognise there will be far-reaching consequences of your actions for Thistle and everyone associated with the club. If that doesn’t matter to you, then focus on doing the right thing for Scottish football. If this vote collapses because people cannot set aside self-interest and ego, our game potentially faces irreparable damage and ongoing division for many years to come. “At a time unparalleled in footballing history, countries throughout Europe have re-jigged their league set ups to protect the whole – we have the opportunity to do the same. “For Thistle, if proposed reconstruction fails, the consequences of the actions visited on us by fellow clubs will be long term and serious. We will prevail because “that which does not kill us makes us stronger” but not before we suffer more pain and financial harm than is necessary or fair. “We believe it is time for clubs to show solidarity with us as we arbitrarily and disproportionately bear the brunt of the damage being done to our game due to circumstances that are no-one’s fault. “Our plea is simple: choose to do no harm.” Chairman Jacqui Low on behalf of the Board of Partick Thistle FC mccann.mp3 mccann.mp3 Edited June 14, 2020 by cmontheloknow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Yes, the Hearts fans are of course Mrs Budge's first and only port of call for legal advice. We do it on a Whastapp group. You say that, yet her interviews over the course of this literally screech "Kickback". Why do you think Hearts have waited over a month since the vote to relegate them, and still havent gone to court? Do you, honestly, believe they're holding off for the "good of Scottish football", or do you accept it's because they've got absolutely f**k all and the threat is entirely there to try and bully clubs into voting for reconstruction? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: You say that, yet her interviews over the course of this literally screech "Kickback". Why do you think Hearts have waited over a month since the vote to relegate them, and still havent gone to court? Do you, honestly, believe they're holding off for the "good of Scottish football", or do you accept it's because they've got absolutely f**k all and the threat is entirely there to try and bully clubs into voting for reconstruction? I've got no idea. And neither do you. We might win. We might get laughed out of court. Neither you nor I have the faintest clue. It's silly to pretend otherwise. * Apart from the 'good of Scottish football' part. We're out for ourselves. Like everyone else. Only we seem to be getting criticism for it in a way that others aren't. Edited June 14, 2020 by JTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggie52 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Not to avoid relegation but to save lives? The purpose of the lockdown that caused this whole problem surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, JTS98 said: * Apart from the 'good of Scottish football' part. We're out for ourselves. Like everyone else. Only we seem to be getting criticism for it in a way that others aren't. Well Budge claimed that's the only reason you weren't going to court, so see if you can join the dots about the situation. Hearts being "out for themselves", while simultaneously threatening legal action that could resolve the issue in weeks, while simultaneously giving a paper thin excuse for not doing so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Staggie52 said: The purpose of the lockdown that caused this whole problem surely? Yes, but Ross County's Premiership status will neither save nor cost one single life. The 'saving lives' thing is utterly irrelevant. It's connected to the pause in play. But not to Ross County staying up and Hearts being relegated. MacGregor could have voted for County to face the music of a relegation battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Well Budge claimed that's the only reason you weren't going to court, so see if you can join the dots about the situation. Hearts being "out for themselves", while simultaneously threatening legal action that could resolve the issue in weeks, while simultaneously giving a paper thin excuse for not doing so. Never hear of a negotiating position before? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 minute ago, JTS98 said: Never hear of a negotiating position before? Fucking hell. You think Hearts have allowed their relegation to go through, activating clauses in contracts, one of which is releasing the manager they spent weeks trying to get just months ago, and have weakened their legal stance by voting for the season to end with the knowledge that confirms their relegation, for "negotiating position"? What are they even negotiating? Waiting months to take something to court categorically does not help your case, especially when you're allowed to be an active part of the process trying to resolve the issue you're trying to argue against. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Waiting months to take something to court categorically does not help your case, especially when you're allowed to be an active part of the process trying to resolve the issue you're trying to argue against. Again, is that you speaking as Random Guy QC? I've said plenty of times on here that Budge has handled this badly. You post as if I agree with her every step of the way. For what it's worth, I wouldn't bother going to court. If we lose, it'll cost us a fortune. Most of my Hearts-supporting mates think along the same lines as me on that issue. But then, I'm not a lawyer and I don't pretend to have any inside legal track like you seem to have convinced yourself. Out of interest, where are you getting this legal advice that you seem so sure of? Edited June 14, 2020 by JTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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