Billy Jean King Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 When nearly all costs are fixed for a year or two into the future, then a top line reduction impacts profit (or more realistically loss) on a pound for pound basis. But, go on. Do tell me how it works in Leith.So Budge is so arrogant she didn't budget at all for the prospect of relegation. Explains her fucking pathetic begging performance at least a little bit. What a total uberclusterfuck by a "shrewd businesswoman" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djchapsticks Posted June 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, SEETHING said: I feel u bro What really happened tho... 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, JamboMikey said: Good job we're loaded Loaded with pish.Please do take the SPFL to court. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 What was the plan for relegation under normal circumstances? Genuine question.Blame St Mirren. Ask for reconstruction. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Why would it be - they might just receive a nominal sum. The £millions they are allegedly seeking is turnover based which isn’t a true loss No matter how much the sum is, if 100% of it goes to Hearts and they are only responsible for 2.25% of it (based on them finishing top of the Championship). That means they'll get paid more than it costs them if (and it's a big if) they win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JamboMikey said: Good job we're loaded Maybe with money .............. but way short of brains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenHibee Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Green Day said: Some facts, shamelessly stolen from elsewhere.......... In the rules it states that the club that finishes in 12th place at the end of the season is relegated - hearts complied with this for many years. The 2019-20 season has ended with the agreement of all clubs...............including hearts. Hearts were in 12th place when the season ended. No 2 could carry the rider that hearts only agreed to it on condition that reconstruction was considered and a decision was reached - that condition will have been met on monday at the latest. Where does Hearts legal challenge logically go from there?????????? Notice how the common Hearts supporter always skips replying to the question on what legal challenge they think they have? Complete smoke and mirrors. Get them relegated like they deserve and allow the rest of us get on with much more important things. Edited June 12, 2020 by AberdeenHibee 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: It's a wee shame you'll get nothing then. I do hope Pete Jeden is really a decent bloke ..............he surely cannot be such a wan#er as he comes across on here, can he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, Green Day said: tbf if you find your economics lessons boring, then you probably shouldn't post razor sharp insights like "turnover isn't profit". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMikey Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sparticus said: Loaded with pish.Please do take the SPFL to court. 8 minutes ago, jaybeee said: Maybe with money .............. but way short of brains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, craigkillie said: No matter how much the sum is, if 100% of it goes to Hearts and they are only responsible for 2.25% of it (based on them finishing top of the Championship). That means they'll get paid more than it costs them if (and it's a big if) they win. I realise it's not a personal injury claim, but in that world there is such a thing as contributory negligence. Ie a settlement figure is agreed based on damages, but then only a percentage is awarded if the injured party was partly responsible. (A cyclist not wearing a helmet is a typical example.) So the question here would be, how much responsibility, as a percentage, would fall on Hearts for the fact that they were bottom of the league when Covid made it impossible to play any more games. I'd put that at about the 100% mark, personally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I still don't see how they could take this to court? They were relegated in line with the rules, the SPFL board have done everything democratically, they have put all realistic reconstruction plans on the table and are going through another democratic process to decide if member clubs want to implement a change. The board have went above and beyond any effort they needed to go to, to help Hearts out. It costs clubs money when they are relegated, Hearts should have budgeted correctly, in at least the January transfer window when relegation was a high possibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybeee Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, JamboMikey said: And that is a response how? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, JamboMikey said: Explain please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 County and Hibs (both of whom have spent time in the Championship recently) would be voting: 1) To have much less chance of being relegated than they have now. 2) To be more likely to come straight back up if they were to be relegated. 3) To have derby matches next season. From a business point of view it's a no-brainer. Same for St Mirren. St Mirren and Accies would be unwise to vote against a 14-team league. It would be good for them. Unless you think greater likelihood of spending more time in the top flight is a bad thing. Likewise, clubs in the Championship with their eye on promotion would perhaps do well to vote to keep Hearts out the way for next season and to ensure that in the coming years some of the 'big at that level' clubs are kept in the Premiership, making that one automatic slot plus one play-off slot more attainable. They benefit in the same way. A 14-team top flight with a second tier having one up with one in a play-off is a great deal for Premiership clubs for whom relegation is a regular concern. Harder to go down, easier to come up. That's exactly what these clubs want. If the boards of Hibs, or St Mirren, or Ross County, or St Johnstone, or Accies were to vote against this, their supporters would be within their rights to send angry letters asking the board to justify voting against something that is clearly of medium and long-term benefit to their club. Relegation is a concern for all clubs outwith the OF. The current league table is not forever. Hearts had brushes with relegation in the mid-90s and again in 99 before going down in 2014. Hibs went down in 98 and 2014. Aberdeen had a close call in 1995 and were saved by stadium regulations in 2000 before being second-last again in 2004. Dundee United went down in the 90s and again recently. Kilmarnock have had close calls. Motherwell have had close calls. St Johnstone have gone between the divisions. All these clubs know that in time that will come round again. Running a business isn't just about what's happening this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, AberdeenHibee said: Notice how the common Hearts supporter always skips replying to the question on what legal challenge they think they have? Complete smoke and mirrors. Get them relegated like they deserve and allow the rest of us get on with much more important things. You could be right. Nobody on here knows enough of the detail. But the Partick QCs' opinion is there to read. You can argue it's a strong csae or you can argue it's a weak case. What you can't argue is that it is no case at all. And there are things that have come out since - the sidelining of the Rangers alternative resolution. The French and Belgian Court cases. The unravelling of the "we couldn't get the money to the clubs any other way". The Sky/BT deals maybe not being as solid as claimed at the time. The Championship being curtailed. The fact that The SPFL did/do not have the power to unilaterally save Brechin and cancel promotion from HL/LL. Ask yourself this. If Doncaster was sure of his ground, why would he be even trying to get a 14-10-10-10 reconstruction considered? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I've given up going through the 300+ posts dominated by unadulterated pish from Stan.I hope this is settled on Monday and we get back to the reality of trying to save clubs from going out of business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: You could be right. Nobody on here knows enough of the detail. But the Partick QCs' opinion is there to read. You can argue it's a strong csae or you can argue it's a weak case. What you can't argue is that it is no case at all. And there are things that have come out since - the sidelining of the Rangers alternative resolution. The French and Belgian Court cases. The unravelling of the "we couldn't get the money to the clubs any other way". The Sky/BT deals maybe not being as solid as claimed at the time. The Championship being curtailed. The fact that The SPFL did/do not have the power to unilaterally save Brechin and cancel promotion from HL/LL. Ask yourself this. If Doncaster was sure of his ground, why would he be even trying to get a 14-10-10-10 reconstruction considered? I can think of about 3 million(£) reasons why... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I am so sick of all these theories. What we need is some Status Quo - in more ways than one.............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, jaybeee said: I do hope Pete Jeden is really a decent bloke ..............he surely cannot be such a wan#er as he comes across on here, can he? You been speaking to Mrs Jeden? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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