League Reconstruction 20/21 season

[cmontheloknow]

50 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

After all that do you honestly think he would've stayed in the colts team?
Celtic set out a career path for him to move through the leagues and gave him all the opportunities to play.
If you think he would've stayed in the colt/B team then you're thicker than two short planks. 
Plus at the same time Celtic had Liam Henderson in a similar position winning the Scottish cup for Hibs. 
 

So if the better players will move on regardless, what's the point of the Colts/B team? All a Colts team does is keep it 'in house'. It won't impove the standard of players.

[invergowrie arab]

League Reconstruction should be about providing the greatest opportunity for clubs to find their level.

I'm all for a  permanenent 12 14 16 or 12 16 18 or whatever but not some temporary dog a dinner to placate one club.

We shouldn't be organising leagues around nebulous pish like avoiding mid table dead rubbers. Even if they were inherently a bad thing it's about priority #50 on your planning list.

From the LL feeders to the Championship we should be looking at potentially 3 up 3 down in every league including making liberal use of playoffs to achieve it.

11th in Premier should go into a playoff semi at least.

ETA I'm not convinced about arguments that teams e.g. Cove would suddenly find themselves in the bottom league again. If you finish bottom of 16, including behind 10 teams who were in a league below you last year that's just tough.

Edited June 8, 2020 by invergowrie arab

[wastecoatwilly]

8 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

So if the better players will move on regardless, what's the point of the Colts/B team? All a Colts team does is keep it 'in house'. It won't impove the standard of players.

The whole point of youth teams is to create more talent it doesn't matter who is paying their wages.
From schools to 18 we have talent as good as any country after 18 we regress.
18 to 21 is where we need to improve our development and plan the career path of players,even the ones that don't develop quicker that others.

[PauloPerth]

17 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

Guys, FYI the Sonstrust has just posted the following statement which will be conveyed to the Dumbarton FC Board ahead of any discussion and vote on the proposals to restructure the leagues including the introduction of Colt teams.

THE SONSTRUST would like to reaffirm its opposition to the idea of ‘colt teams’ being introduced into the SPFL League system. In a consultation conducted in 2018, 89% of Trust members voted against the idea of having Colt teams play in our lower leagues, and it is also the unanimous position of the Sonstrust Board. We would therefore firmly oppose any league reconstruction proposals which introduced colt teams into the bottom tier.

We believe the democratic principle of ‘one club, one team’ should be upheld, and to see the lower tier devalued into little more than a development league for the top two sides in Scotland to test their youth against is something we could not support under any circumstances. This opportunistic attempt to use the crisis in Scottish football to shoehorn their development sides into the lower leagues, with the promises of guaranteed ticket sales and joining fees should be recognised as no more than a bribe – one that compromises the integrity of the competition. We believe that whatever financial benefit can be obtained by admitting colt teams into the league will be outweighed by the loss of revenue and goodwill from our supporters who overwhelmingly oppose the idea. The low attendances and boycotts at Challenge Cup fixtures involving colt teams both at The Rock and at many other grounds across Scotland show that there is little appetite to see the introduction of colt teams into the league.

The Sonstrust will therefore be making firm representations to the Club in opposition to any reconstruction proposal involving colt teams being introduced into the league setup. No matter the financial gain, the Club should not sells its soul by voting for such a proposal and risk antagonising its supporters who have been incredibly generous to the club over the past few months, rallying around and contributing financially to help ensure the future of our club.

In times of crisis you always discover heroes in unlikely places.  Take a bow Sons of the Rock, this is poetry.

Every self-respecting football club and supporters group in Scotland should be coming out with similar statements.

[Lobby Dossar]

1 minute ago, wastecoatwilly said:

The whole point of youth teams is to create more talent it doesn't matter who is paying their wages.
From schools to 18 we have talent as good as any country after 18 we regress.
18 to 21 is where we need to improve our development and plan the career path of players,even the ones that don't develop quicker that others.

What development do either Celtic or Rangers provide to young players ????

Remember Paul Slane at Motherwell 17 year old getting games in the Motherwell 1st team was even playing in Europe with them looked an excellent prospect going forward

Along came Celtic ( Chris McCart the biggest disaster to development of young players in Scotland ) and filled his and his dads head with the Celtic development program 

Dont think the boy ever stepped foot on Celtic Park or got anywhere near the 1st team

Oh and by the way where is he now???? ………… Lost to the game !!!!! 

[TheScarf]

Until dads and uncles realise that their son signing for Rangers and Celtic isn't the be all and end all, then them signing for them will never stop.  Celtic and Rangers aren't going to suddenly stop trying to hoover up all the decent youths.

[PauloPerth]

40 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

League Reconstruction should be about providing the greatest opportunity for clubs to find their level.

I'm all for a  permanenent 12 14 16 or 12 16 18 or whatever but not some temporary dog a dinner to placate one club.

We shouldn't be organising leagues around nebulous pish like avoiding mid table dead rubbers. Even if they were inherently a bad thing it's about priority #50 on your planning list.

From the LL feeders to the Championship we should be looking at potentially 3 up 3 down in every league including making liberal use of playoffs to achieve it.

11th in Premier should go into a playoff semi at least.

ETA I'm not convinced about arguments that teams e.g. Cove would suddenly find themselves in the bottom league again. If you finish bottom of 16, including behind 10 teams who were in a league below you last year that's just tough.

Shite. 

Its professional sport. Entertainment value for the paying customer should absolutely be a high priority in the decision making process.

If you're telling me that a couple of months of dead rubbers at the end of a season are still as entertaining to you as matches with something at stake, then fair enough.  Personally I don't find that to be the case, and attendances for clubs playing matches with little at stake late on in the season tend to suggest a lot of people feel the same way.

There's not a lot wrong with our league structure currently.  The play off format between Premiership and championship could definitely be fairer and should be addressed, but otherwise it's about as good as it can be. Across the divisions, most clubs have something at stake at the end of each season, why the need to change that?

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Judging by the broadcast and newspaper coverage of the last few days a three-line whip has been issued to the media by the OF and/or the SPFL, so they fully intend this farrago to happen.

Apart from the many good reasons to oppose it, there is a glaring irony in that it will change the square root of f**k all; Rangers will continue to pay fortunes to the likes of Nuno Capucho and Celtic will trail clouds of glory from whatever centre-back is sixth in line at Werder Bremen.

The Colt teams idea is the work of desperate people, desperate to improve the desperate state of the Scottish game. It will not achieve that but it will quite likely disenfranchise a number of supporters of clubs at the lower end of the league, at the sort of shitholes like Boghead Park where in September 1972 I marvelled at the human dynamo who was the 16 year-old Gordon Strachan playing for Dundee in a RESERVE game.

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[TheScarf]

Fuck sake, can we drop the dead rubbers chat?  Not every fucking game of football needs to have a club's fucking livelihood on the line.

They're absolutely unavoidable in a league format.

[PauloPerth]

4 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

f**k sake, can we drop the dead rubbers chat?  Not every fucking game of football needs to have a club's fucking livelihood on the line.

They're absolutely unavoidable in a league format.

It's a thread about league reconstruction. If you don't like aspects of the conversation which are relevant to that then f**k off to a different thread!

[tree house tam]

10 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

f**k sake, can we drop the dead rubbers chat?  Not every fucking game of football needs to have a club's fucking livelihood on the line.

They're absolutely unavoidable in a league format.

Pish. Some of us prefer something to play for rather than meaningless shite. If young players are good enough they'll be in the first team anyway, they shouldn't need dead rubbers to get a 10 minute outing at the end of a season. 

[Green Day]

BBC Sportsound Podcast today, Tom English wanking himself off about Rangers proposal -  we live in strange times...............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Chick Young says "Tom called this innovative, I would call it absolute nonsense.......theres so much wrong with this that I dont even know where to begin" 

 

eta "Doctor Football" thinks this is also a good idea - so thats it in the bin then.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Green Day

[TheScarf]

12 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

It's a thread about league reconstruction. If you don't like aspects of the conversation which are relevant to that then f**k off to a different thread!

How is it relevant exactly?  Explain to me why every single game in the Scottish Premiership needs to 'mean something;?

[Munoz]

7 minutes ago, Green Day said:

BBC Sportsound Podcast today, Tom English wanking himself off about Rangers proposal -  we live in strange times...............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Chick Young says "Tom called this innovative, I would call it absolute nonsense.......theres so much wrong with this that I dont even know where to begin" 

 

eta "Doctor Football" thinks this is also a good idea - so thats it in the bin then.

Not often I agree with Wee Chico, but he's spot on here.

[Bose]

7 minutes ago, Green Day said:

BBC Sportsound Podcast today, Tom English wanking himself off about Rangers proposal -  we live in strange times...............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08gcpfs

Chick Young says "Tom called this innovative, I would call it absolute nonsense.......theres so much wrong with this that I dont even know where to begin" 

 

eta "Doctor Football" thinks this is also a good idea - so thats it in the bin then.

Best thing that could happen to Scottish football is Tom English being told to concentrate on egg chasing.  His arse licking of Rangers is embarrassing for someone who is portrayed by his employers, I know it’s the BBC, as an objective journalist.

[TheScarf]

9 minutes ago, tree house tam said:

Pish. Some of us prefer something to play for rather than meaningless shite. If young players are good enough they'll be in the first team anyway, they shouldn't need dead rubbers to get a 10 minute outing at the end of a season. 

Well perhaps following a sport where every match isn't a straight knockout from the competition isn't for you then.  Tennis or badminton is maybe your thing.

[Green Day]

Just now, Munoz said:

Not often I agree with Wee Chico, but he's spot on here.

Tom English coming across as a playground bully here - but Chic is actually doing the best work he has done for years in batting it all back to them.

[Green Day]

Comedically they are now discussing the voting structure - it amuses me to think that a plan that Rangers and Celtic want to push through will probably fail due to the voting structure that was put in place specifically for them.

[mrman2011]

Colts is still a fantastic idea. We need to improve the development of youngsters and keep them in the same environment as their senior counterparts. The Colts can be 18-23 (Plus 1 player overage) Smaller clubs would also benefit as they will have ready made players who are released as these players would have more experience playing in the Scottish Lower Levels then previously before

Scottish Football must swallow its pride and embrace this fantastic and forward thinking plan. The Scottish Youth/Senior teams would benefit better in time with their development. 

 

[Green Day]

2 minutes ago, mrman2011 said:

Colts is still a fantastic idea. We need to improve the development of youngsters and keep them in the same environment as their senior counterparts. The Colts can be 18-23 (Plus 1 player overage) Smaller clubs would also benefit as they will have ready made players who are released as these players would have more experience playing in the Scottish Lower Levels then previously before

Scottish Football must swallow its pride and embrace this fantastic and forward thinking plan. The Scottish Youth/Senior teams would benefit better in time with their development. 

 

John McGinn had won the League Cup and the Scottish Cup by the age of 22

Old enough, good enough imo.

Calling players "colts" and cossetting them until age 23 is ludicrous - if there are players in Hibs Academy that are not playing regular first team football by the age of 22 they are never making it.