Cyclizine Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, GordonD said: Celtic Colts go into the Highland League No thanks. We've already got a team who play in green and white hoops and have a magic attendance calculator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 . The alternative to a split is a 10 team league. the good people of Paisley and Hamilton might have a few issues there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Introduce it for 2021/22 imo. 2 down, no automatic promotion. Play off for Championship winners v 10th. the good people of Paisley and Hamilton might have a few issues there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, AberdeenHibee said: Just a reminder for all of my fellow Scottish Football supporters. In 2016, Ann Budge said: "I think 42 senior clubs is too many for Scotland. "You're looking at about half that number. "We're not throwing people to the dogs and saying you don't matter. We should be saying this is what will work better for you, what fits your profile." https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36999758 Hearts fans are writing this off as "aye, it was 4 years ago it does not matter". Yes it does - your owner is currently trying to expand the leagues, completely contradicting her incredibly condescending comments in the article post during a time, surprise surprise, when they were not rooted to the bottom of the league. This is hard proof that Hearts are in it for themselves and themselves only. Do not fall for that club's lies. Could Budge force around 21 clubs to fold? No but Covid-19 could kill a significant number if Sturgeon forces next season's games to be played behind closed doors. Gordon Strachan was even more blunt - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52797428. "If you want to be a professional club, show it,... Have full-time employees, have full-time players, have an academy, do the whole lot. Just don't play at being a football team and expect us to look after you. When you talk about clubs coming into the league, what are they bringing in? Two hundred people per week to a game, is that really professional football?" "Nobody's going to kill a football club but find your level that you play at. Find the level your finances are putting you. Don't tell me you're a professional club when you're paying people part-time 80 quid a week and nobody turns up to your football matches." Can you honestly consider those part-time clubs to be "senior" clubs? Budge's and Rangers' restructuring proposals will not address the issues that Strachan highlighted. There has to be a new structure that takes into account the financial strength of the clubs and the long-term commitment of their owners. Edited June 6, 2020 by Bishop Briggs -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyMirren Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: the good people of Paisley and Hamilton might have a few issues there Why would the people of Paisley care? That’d be Hamilton and Ross County joining Hearts in the championship... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) The plan to drop SPFL teams into the lowland / Highland league for a fee hasn't been been discussed with either of the leagues how have they managed to put that in the proposal with no discussion whatsoever? Edited June 6, 2020 by Tony Wonder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: The plan to drop SPFL teams into the lowland / Highland league for a fee hasn't been been discussed with either of the leagues how have they managed to put that in the proposal with no discussion whatsoever? Because it's Rangers and they don't care. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorky Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Surely no Hearts fans would be in favour of the old firm colt teams joining the league just to stay in the top flight, makes no sense. Championship football will be a short term thing for Hearts, two old firm colt teams in the league would end up permanent. I’m pretty sure that in general Hearts fans would have been totally against the idea, it’s very short term thinking to accept it just to avoid a season in the championship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWorldwideJr Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Could Budge force around 21 clubs to fold? No but Covid-19 could kill a significant number if Sturgeon forces next season's games to be played behind closed doors. Gordon Strachan was even more blunt - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52797428. "If you want to be a professional club, show it,... Have full-time employees, have full-time players, have an academy, do the whole lot. Just don't play at being a football team and expect us to look after you. When you talk about clubs coming into the league, what are they bringing in? Two hundred people per week to a game, is that really professional football?" "Nobody's going to kill a football club but find your level that you play at. Find the level your finances are putting you. Don't tell me you're a professional club when you're paying people part-time 80 quid a week and nobody turns up to your football matches." Can you honestly consider those part-time clubs to be "senior" clubs? Budge's and Rangers' restructuring proposals will not address the issues that Strachan highlighted. There has to be a new structure that takes into account the financial strength of the clubs and the long-term commitment of their owners. The thing that gets me about this argument is that people making it seem to be under the impression that having part time clubs in the league structure is somehow unique to Scotland. Our structure is full-time league > couple of leagues with a mixture of full and part time > part time leagues. Pretty much every league structure in the world follows that basic format, just with varying numbers of full time clubs. England is exactly the same just they have more full time clubs so the crossover is lower, same in Spain, France etc. etc. Why does Scotland need a unique structure where the part time and full time clubs aren't allowed to mix? The part time teams in the Championship and League 1 literally have found their level in the structure, what Strachan wants is a system where they aren't allowed to do that any more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: The plan to drop SPFL teams into the lowland / Highland league for a fee hasn't been been discussed with either of the leagues how have they managed to put that in the proposal with no discussion whatsoever? It's literally exactly the same plan theyve been peddling for years, it just gets trotted out every time a lower league side is struggling for money. Implementing the pyramid system properly is still, by far, the best thing that could happen to Scottish football. IMO of course. I will forever maintain that 12-10-10-10 is perfectly fine, but there should be two automatic relegation spots in every division. 3rd v 4th, winner plays 2nd, winner goes up. Bottom two of League Two go down and Highland League/Lowland League winners come up. Try and even out the prize money so relegation doesnt murder any club who suffers it, at all levels. Allowing Colt sides to pay their way into any level in that pyramid, while still blocking sides getting automatic entry into League Two, is the complete opposite of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Could Budge force around 21 clubs to fold? No but Covid-19 could kill a significant number if Sturgeon forces next season's games to be played behind closed doors. Gordon Strachan was even more blunt - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52797428. "If you want to be a professional club, show it,... Have full-time employees, have full-time players, have an academy, do the whole lot. Just don't play at being a football team and expect us to look after you. When you talk about clubs coming into the league, what are they bringing in? Two hundred people per week to a game, is that really professional football?" "Nobody's going to kill a football club but find your level that you play at. Find the level your finances are putting you. Don't tell me you're a professional club when you're paying people part-time 80 quid a week and nobody turns up to your football matches." Can you honestly consider those part-time clubs to be "senior" clubs? Budge's and Rangers' restructuring proposals will not address the issues that Strachan highlighted. There has to be a new structure that takes into account the financial strength of the clubs and the long-term commitment of their owners. But no one gives a shit about the issues Strachan highlighted 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Yes Budge did right at the start as a temporary solution to a temporary problem, Then lower league teams apparently insisted they were permanent 14-14-14 or nothing trying to hijack the situation to their advantage. Budge then came back with 14-14-14 on a longer term basis than originally suggested which with a sweetener might have won the lower leagues over but was apparently too long term for Aberdeen and seemed to upset Clyde fans here. Rangers and Celtic then saw a chance to exploit the situation and try to put their push colts project through and nobody likes that. I’ve probably missed a few steps Oh the irony. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Lebowski said: 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: Just don’t have a split? It serves absolutely zero purpose. It does have a purpose, it enables more teams in the league while having a number of fixtures acceptable to UEFA. The alternative to a split is a 10 team league. This part not correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 That Colts proposal going through would lead to three cancelled season tickets from myself and my family. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaintee Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Bohemian said: It does for Celtic,Sevco and Sky Sports and that's the problem with Scottish football and any decent reconstruction... our entire league structure from top to bottom is geared towards having four effin games a season between Celtic and Sevco.. this ^^^^^^ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, GordonD said: How come the Bigot Brothers get to put their Colts teams in the SPFL while everybody else has to settle for the lower leagues? Never mind, it's a rhetorical question. Here's a suggestion: Celtic Colts go into the Highland League and Rangers Colts into the Lowland. That way they get to play against full-age players, which seems to be the main idea, and avoids additional holy wars because they'll never play each other. Still no from me. No Colt teams at any level, thanks. Let them just play other reserves, or go on loan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, parsforlife said: The b teams part is all rangers care about tho. The rest is just padded out with little thought to try and get others on board. Aye, you're probably right. If the feedback on the Colts idea is poor again, Rangers will probably put it back in the drawer rather than adjusting it to something more acceptable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: The plan to drop SPFL teams into the lowland / Highland league for a fee hasn't been been discussed with either of the leagues how have they managed to put that in the proposal with no discussion whatsoever? Caley thistle tried to put a colt team into the HL last year and were told point blank no way. So they got around it by loaning 11 players to Fort William over the season and had them training in Inverness. The HL have now changed the rule to limit loan player numbers to stop them doing it again 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) The idea that the Old Firm having a bunch of youngsters playing in colt teams against League 2 sides is going to help them develop future stars is bizarre. If they really think there is a benefit in getting some of their young players first team experience then they should do as they currently can do - get them out to decent Championship clubs full of experienced professionals playing for their livelihoods. That will 'toughen them up' and take them out their comfort zone. Playing with a bunch of guys they grew up with, in a colt team, in matches that have no meaning is going to do virtually nothing for them. And even if it did, it is not the responsibility of our professional league to facilitate 2 clubs producing better quality players. They already have every possible advantage in Scotland when it comes to producing players, if they can't produce quality youngsters given all the advantages they have then that is entirely their fault. Edited June 6, 2020 by Diamonds are Forever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 This part not correct Isn't it? I thought UEFA had said top flight leagues should have a maximum of 40 fixtures in the interest of players health and wellbeing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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