wastecoatwilly Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Zing. said: He’s going to struggle to please everyone much in the same way that Budge has so far. I’ll be surprised if any sort of reconstruction gets approved but the SPFL and Hearts are certainly trying their best to do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 There's real vibes of a frustrated boss from Doncaster here. Asks Budge on two separate occasions to see if she can propose a sensible reconstruction plan, then gets so exasperated by her utterly hopeless incompetence than he steps in himself to try and get something sorted. I suspect he'll get a bunch of different answers from the clubs about what would work for them, so I'm not convinced it's going to make it more likely to happen, but at least there's a bit of flexibility compared to Budge's weird insistence on acting as though she held the power here. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, craigkillie said: There's real vibes of a frustrated boss from Doncaster here. Asks Budge on two separate occasions to see if she can propose a sensible reconstruction plan, then gets so exasperated by her utterly hopeless incompetence than he steps in himself to try and get something sorted. I suspect he'll get a bunch of different answers from the clubs about what would work for them, so I'm not convinced it's going to make it more likely to happen, but at least there's a bit of flexibility compared to Budge's weird insistence on acting as though she held the power here. Why was he leaving it to her anyway? If he believes it's the right thing to do, he should have been leading the way all along. If he doesn't believe it's the right thing to do, he should be nowhere near it now. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RandomGuy. Posted June 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2020 I'm absolutely stunned that days after a Hearts fan offers millions to the league, that reconstruction is suddenly back on the table. It was so fucking obvious it was a bribe from the moment Budge started squealing about it on the radio. Absolute NAP the vote fails, then "differences" cause the apparent messiah to walk away without a single penny getting put into the game. Then the 3 years of Hearts fans screeching about how the SPFL clubs would rather bankrupt themselves than help Hearts, as they're too fucking dense to understand what actually happened. 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Pet Jeden said: Why was he leaving it to her anyway? If he believes it's the right thing to do, he should have been leading the way all along. If he doesn't believe it's the right thing to do, he should be nowhere near it now. Because, as Budge and Doncaster admitted at the weekend, Budge was always acting as the middle man and refusing to allow Doncaster to speak direct to the Messiah. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Pet Jeden said: Why was he leaving it to her anyway? If he believes it's the right thing to do, he should have been leading the way all along. If he doesn't believe it's the right thing to do, he should be nowhere near it now. It's not his job to "believe" anything - it's his job to act on the will of the clubs. He can certainly recommend things, but the SPFL is a club led organisation and if they disagree then they'll vote it down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's not his job to "believe" anything - it's his job to act on the will of the clubs. He can certainly recommend things, but the SPFL is a club led organisation and if they disagree then they'll vote it down. Interesting. So what he is doing now is the will of which club(s)? And what he did in preparing the original board paper in March was the will of which club(s)? Edited June 3, 2020 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Interesting. So what he is doing now is the will of which club(s)? And what he did in preparing the original board paper in March was the will of which club(s)? a) Hearts and Inverness. Possibly Partick and Falkirk too. b) everyone else except Rangers. What do I win? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Interesting. So what he is doing now is the will of which club(s)? And what he did in preparing the original board paper in March was the will of which club(s)? The proposal to end the season (from April, not March) came from the SPFL Board, of which he is a member alongside various representatives from different divisions. It was claimed at the time that this was based on requests from several clubs, particularly those in the lower leagues, and that was borne out by the fact that the vast majority of the clubs voted in favour of it. The current proposal is directly linked to that, in the sense that the April paper included a commitment to explore league reconstruction. Therefore the idea of at least discussing league reconstruction was the will of all of the clubs who voted in favour of that proposal (in addition to many of those who voted against it). Budge was put in charge of that committee, which ultimately made a pigs ear of the whole thing to the extent that they couldn't even reach enough agreement to produce a proposal that the clubs could vote on. It's worth noting that there were several other committees meeting at the same time on a number of issues as part of the SFA/SPFL Joint Response Group, and Doncaster himself was chairing the one related to broadcasting rights. Possibly he now has a bit more time on his hands now that he's sorted that out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I'm absolutely stunned that days after a Hearts fan offers millions to the league, that reconstruction is suddenly back on the table. It was so fucking obvious it was a bribe from the moment Budge started squealing about it on the radio. Absolute NAP the vote fails, then "differences" cause the apparent messiah to walk away without a single penny getting put into the game. Then the 3 years of Hearts fans screeching about how the SPFL clubs would rather bankrupt themselves than help Hearts, as they're too fucking dense to understand what actually happened. "Bribe" is an ugly word as is "Ransom" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Leagues One and Two wouldn't give them what they wanted so we will just ignore them and send a letter to the top two divisions. Fucking democracy, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: So what he is doing now is the will of which club(s)? I presume that you’re having a laugh here. If you’re not, Hearts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: "Bribe" is an ugly word as is "Ransom" Incentive...perk...sweetner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Incentive...perk...sweetner? New series on Netflix? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Leagues One and Two wouldn't give them what they wanted so we will just ignore them and send a letter to the top two divisions. Fucking democracy, eh? Did League 2 Chairmen not meet and declare they would only vote for 14-14-14? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Leagues One and Two wouldn't give them what they wanted so we will just ignore them and send a letter to the top two divisions. Fucking democracy, eh?I’m not a political science expert but Horse trading, loaded promises, unholy alliances, competing attempts to manipulate the news agenda and people pursuing naked self interest are pretty common features in democracies as far as I can see 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samsonite Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Can see this going through but with 14/10/10/10 will keep the majority of lower league teams happy, especially the L1 teams who are getting “relegated” in the 14/14/14 set up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Samsonite said: Can see this going through but with 14/10/10/10 will keep the majority of lower league teams happy, especially the L1 teams who are getting “relegated” in the 14/14/14 set up. Where are the other 2 clubs coming from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) The League One/Two clubs get no say if the top two divisions vote to go 14-14. We would also have no say if said leagues decided to reduce relegation to one team per season. Both would adversely affect many clubs in League One and League Two. It is a disgrace that they are being denied their say, purely because Doncaster, Budge and her rich mate have decided they might not say what they want to hear. Edited June 3, 2020 by Bully Wee Villa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Leagues One and Two wouldn't give them what they wanted so we will just ignore them and send a letter to the top two divisions. Fucking democracy, eh? They are still involved. The Premiership need to vote 11-1 in favour as the prize pot changes. The Championship and lower league votes are same as last week because they will all change as a result of this, including (one assumes) the "winner" of next years championship getting considerably smaller wedge than Dundee Utd got this season - £160k less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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