Green Day Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Miko’s Dive said: there should be some respect shown towards Budge for bringing JA to the table 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 To save Bennett from posting any more shite , here is his take on things. All games should have been played no matter what, at any date in the future no matter when. The absolute earliest that these games from last season could have started, under government regulations, would have been 1st August but that date is not guaranteed. If the matches had started on 1st August then Bennett would presumably be happy that Scotland would not have been able to put forward any teams for next season’s European competitions. Bennett also doesn’t think that three Scottish Cup matches can be played at any time, even though there are absolutely no date restrictions on this competition being completed, so could even be played after the start of next season’s competition. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Scotland has an extra European place in 2021/22, I believe. So could they finish this year's cup and next year's and give European places to both? That would seem fair. Not that it'll likely matter too much as Celtic will probably bore everyone to death by winning both, anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I just don't see the point in playing the cup at all. What is the end game? Can't the European place that would normally go to the cup winner not be awarded to the next non-European qualifying team in the league? As a St Mirren fan I take little interest in how many places we have, but I presume as the champions league isn't made up of champions and that there is no longer a cup winners cup then it's irrelevant in many ways where our qualifiers are drawn from. I'm sure someone can clarify that for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: and usually Europa League football, if out of the CL. Three years of Europa football dosh is around about one year in the champions league one offsets the other one, I'm pretty sure that's how Lawwell see it. Budgeting for that makes perfect sense as far as bums on seats I'm sure Celtic will be selling home games on club TV if games are played BCD's. Edited June 3, 2020 by wastecoatwilly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Ric said: I just don't see the point in playing the cup at all. What is the end game? Can't the European place that would normally go to the cup winner not be awarded to the next non-European qualifying team in the league? As a St Mirren fan I take little interest in how many places we have, but I presume as the champions league isn't made up of champions and that there is no longer a cup winners cup then it's irrelevant in many ways where our qualifiers are drawn from. I'm sure someone can clarify that for me. Pretty sure it already has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, kingjoey said: To save Bennett from posting any more shite , here is his take on things. All games should have been played no matter what, at any date in the future no matter when. The absolute earliest that these games from last season could have started, under government regulations, would have been 1st August but that date is not guaranteed. If the matches had started on 1st August then Bennett would presumably be happy that Scotland would not have been able to put forward any teams for next season’s European competitions. Bennett also doesn’t think that three Scottish Cup matches can be played at any time, even though there are absolutely no date restrictions on this competition being completed, so could even be played after the start of next season’s competition. Isn't this the sort post that you complained about receiving from celtic fans? You've put a fair words into my mouth and presumed a lot too but an agenda is an agenda after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Pretty sure it already has. I pay little attention to it, my eyes tend to be focussed down the other end of the league.. If that is the case, then just call it. It seems to serve little point other than vanity. * and by call it, I don't mean declare a winner I mean null/void. Edited June 3, 2020 by Ric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Re talk of the streaming, has there been any indication what it costs for the actual broadcasters? I wouldn't have thought it would be a lot, you see BBC sometimes put youth matches online. Even if it was a case of something like ALBA quality, that's still really decent. Surely if you could lease the hardware (I would have thought the stuff used for BBC Scotland is specialist to sport which they don't have a lot of), staffing and online hosting to one or two locations, you could blow out of the water anything being offered by the clubs themselves - you could also create an additional 'top-up' type service for access to other league games which could go in a shared pot. It certainly would make life a lot easier than the current amatuerish set-ups. Unless I've missed something and this 'virtual season ticket' isn't just the normal club services? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, bennett said: You've put a fair words into my mouth and presumed a lot too but an agenda is an agenda after all. You constantly complain about conjecture and assumption yet you post conjecture and assumption. Funny that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ric said: You constantly complain about conjecture and assumption yet you post conjecture and assumption. Funny that. Too deep for me Rick, king Joey is a bit of thinker he'll probably spar with you. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Weren't we told that if we finished the season early and called it as it was then we wouldn't have to pay a rebate to sky. Looks like Sevco was right... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ric said: I just don't see the point in playing the cup at all. What is the end game? Can't the European place that would normally go to the cup winner not be awarded to the next non-European qualifying team in the league? As a St Mirren fan I take little interest in how many places we have, but I presume as the champions league isn't made up of champions and that there is no longer a cup winners cup then it's irrelevant in many ways where our qualifiers are drawn from. I'm sure someone can clarify that for me. The main purpose of winning the Scottish Cup isn't to provide a route to Europe, it's winning the Scottish Cup. If my team had made it to the Scottish Cup semi-final then I'd be pretty keen for it to go ahead so that we had the chance of winning it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ric said: I just don't see the point in playing the cup at all I doubt you would think that if your team were still in it. The remaining four teams have earned the right to try to win the trophy. A more valid question would be why wouldn't you finish the cup? It's only three games, is hardly going to cause a massive fixture backlog. Edited June 3, 2020 by Bully Wee Villa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The main purpose of winning the Scottish Cup isn't to provide a route to Europe, it's winning the Scottish Cup. If my team had made it to the Scottish Cup semi-final then I'd be pretty keen for it to go ahead so that we had the chance of winning it. Of course, but that is in a normal season, and seeing as this isn't a normal season to me it still feels like a vanity thing. Just now, Bully Wee Villa said: I doubt you would think that if you're team were still in it. The remaining four teams have earned the right to try to win the trophy. A more valid question would be why wouldn't you finish the cup? It's only three games, is hardly going to cause a massive fixture backlog. I'd have the same opinion, and to answer your question, because it's not going to be the "same teams" competing in the final games as the ones that got there. Edited June 3, 2020 by Ric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, kingjoey said: All games should have been played no matter what, 36 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Bennett also doesn’t think that three Scottish Cup matches can be played at any time, You've got to admire the contradiction of the sevco mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 The main purpose of winning the Scottish Cup isn't to provide a route to Europe, it's winning the Scottish Cup. If my team had made it to the Scottish Cup semi-final then I'd be pretty keen for it to go ahead so that we had the chance of winning it.100% this. A place in Europe is a bonus for winning the cup. But it's a bonus, not the point of it. There's literally only two clubs in Scotland where winning something is more meaningful because of what it gives you rather than the actual winning of it.I'd guess outside old firm fans and 40+ year old Aberdeen supporters that you'll be lucky to have many people averaging over a trophy a decade regarding their sides winning major trophies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, bennett said: Weren't we told that if we finished the season early and called it as it was then we wouldn't have to pay a rebate to sky. No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 For clarification, I wasn't suggesting that the European place was more important than winning the cup. I doubt Hibs fans will remember who knocked them out of Europe in fifty years time, but they'll all remember winning the cup. I was just wondering aloud about whether allocating the European place next season might be a good idea. Scotland has an extra place anyway so the league wouldn't "lose" a place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ric said: I'd have the same opinion, and to answer your question, because it's not going to be the "same teams" competing in the final games as the ones that got there. When Isma Goncalves and Conor Newton scored in the 2013 League Cup final did you celebrate it a bit less because both of them didn't sign until after you'd played in the first three rounds? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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